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Celeb News: Iggy: "Why Eminem Didn’t Get The Same Grammys Backlash"
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If Iggy was legitimately good, people who love the genre would actually root for her and wouldn't mind her winning a Grammy. It's going from a topic from race to gender. Females will always have a harder time proving themselves, but when they do, you get situations like Lil Kim, Missy Elliott and Nicki Minaj - who all managed to be taken seriously and become major forces in the genre. Iggy just isn't very talented. Eminem had to prove his authenticity, talent and worth before he could be truly embraced as one of the greatest of his time by he Black community. Iggy hasn't done that yet.
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Originally posted by Javan
She did when she came to the UK.
Clearly, her career does.
And other than invention, what is white peoples connection to the drum/bass etc? I rebuke idea that an instrument within itself is a culture, because an instrument, like a tool is used as mean to achieve a superior aim; which is where the culture begins. An instrument is not an expression or a culture.
Language argument is. Dumb ofc African Americans are to speak American english. How can that be appropriation as if they had any choice? That's actually quite offensive. Blacks had their culture and language stolen from them, they didn't pick up a way of speaking to look edgy and cache a quick buck. Goodbye.
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My whole point is that I see no value in splitting crosshairs about which race did what first and which race owns the rights to what because at the end of the day, no one owns anything. If the World was as divided as some people here seem to want it to be, it would be an uglier place where black people wouldn't be allowed iPhones, and white people wouldn't be allowed to rap--o wait, that last part is kinda what y'all want anyways
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I don't think white artists should have to go any further than being a good rapper and showing respect to be a part of hip hop. I don't expect anymore historical knowledge of Eminem than I do of artists like Young Thug or Migos who don't know or care to know about hip hop origins. Like are we going to pop quiz them during interviews?
I think it's important to preserve hip hop history, but I don't think standards should be placed on white artists that we don't black ones.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
My whole point is that I see no value in splitting crosshairs about which race did what first and which race owns the rights to what because at the end of the day, no one owns anything. If the World was as divided as some people here seem to want it to be, it would be an uglier place where black people wouldn't be allowed iPhones, and white people wouldn't be allowed to rap--o wait, that last part is kinda what y'all want anyways
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iPhones and hip hop music. I see it.
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Originally posted by Javan
iPhones and hip hop music. I see it.
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iPhones are a white invention as much as Hip Hop is a black invention, since you guys seem to want to divide things up by race
The proportion of black people in app development and working at Apple is pretty close to the proportion of white people in Hip Hop
My point is, splitting things up by race is the dumbest things. period. Like, isn't that what your four fathers fought against?
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
My whole point is that I see no value in splitting crosshairs about which race did what first and which race owns the rights to what because at the end of the day, no one owns anything. If the World was as divided as some people here seem to want it to be, it would be an uglier place where black people wouldn't be allowed iPhones, and white people wouldn't be allowed to rap--o wait, that last part is kinda what y'all want anyways
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
iPhones are a white invention as much as Hip Hop is a black invention, since you guys seem to want to divide things up by race
The proportion of black people in app development and working at Apple is pretty close to the proportion of white people in Hip Hop
My point is, splitting things up by race is the dumbest things. period. Like, isn't that what your four fathers fought against?
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An invention isn't always necessarily culture.
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This TikiMiss thing is just...
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by Javan
An invention isn't always necessarily culture.
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Then how about this:
80% of hip hop consumers are white
Source: http://www.hiphopdx.com/m/index.php?...orials&id=1947
If you really OWN a culture as a race, this would be a troubling statistic
What exactly do you define as culture? Because there is such a thing as tech culture, apple culture, programming culture, etc. Just because you don't know it exists...
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Whites can keep iPhones.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Then how about this:
80% of hip hop consumers are white
If you really OWN a culture as a race, this would be a troubling statistic
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I'm sure they are 80% of the consumers at chipotle too. And?
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The fact that you are comparing Hip-Hop which has a strong cultural significance to an iPhone aimed to be marketed to consumers is just...
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Originally posted by Javan
I'm sure they are 80% of the consumers at chipotle too. And?
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If you ask any Mexican, they will not claim Chipotle to be Mexican food
And even then, Chipotle was invented by this guy:
Que?
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Originally posted by Save My Life
The fact that you are c omparing Hip-Hop which has a strong cultural significance to an iPhone aimed to be marketed to consumers is just...
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The iPhone has a strong cultural significance. I would cite you articles, but it's easier to google the thousands.
And Hip Hop is marketed too, baby
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
What exactly do you define as culture? Because there is such a thing as tech culture, apple culture, programming culture, etc. Just because you don't know it exists...
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Funny how "white culture" didn't make it into your enumeration. I guess you and I both know that it doesn't exist. So you can give those arms a rest now.
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Why is she so insufferable. Can she go away? Like, bitch barely has a modicum of talent. I don't know why she's trying to equate her situation as a white rapper to Eminem's. Eminem grew up in a vastly different world than she did.
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Originally posted by Javan
Funny how "white culture" didn't make it into your enumeration. I guess you and I both know that it doesn't exist. So you can give those arms a rest now.
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Funny thing is that everything's a culture
It's just that white culture is so overpowering (suits, professionalism, the english language, BBQs, wars, etc) that it's moved beyond being a culture and into a global lifestyle
You and the rest of the world can thank us later
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Originally posted by Javan
Funny how "white culture" didn't make it into your enumeration. I guess you and I both know that it doesn't exist. So you can give those arms a rest now.
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"Apple culture"
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Funny thing is that everything's a culture
It's just that white culture is so overpowering (suits, professionalism, the english language, BBQs, wars, etc) that it's moved beyond being a culture and into a global lifestyle
You and the rest of the world can thank us later
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Funny thing is that everything's a culture
It's just that white culture is so overpowering (suits, professionalism, the english language, BBQs, wars, etc) that it's moved beyond being a culture and into a global lifestyle
You and the rest of the world can thank us later
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If you done your history research you would realize that everything has been Westernized due to colonization
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