Challenge accepted.

But seriously, totally agree on that particular point.

honestly... I kinda agree with this. the reason we exist as humans is to reproduce, to evolve and pass on our genes to the next generation. I'm not saying people choose to be gay, but if they were biologically predisposed to be gay then they wouldnt have reproductive tissues because essentially they dont need it?

I still feel sexuality is something innate that we cannot control but it is an interesting way of looking at it.

You are not born with it, but it's not a choice either, it's something that happens unconciously during early childhood and puberty

Some people in this thread are the WORST.

I don't know if we are born gay/straight and I don't know if it's enviromental.

I personally thing it's a mixture. People are feminine and masculine. No matter the gender, no matter the age. There are little kids who are more feminine and more masculine. They are at an early age where they CAN'T think of sex and don't know what it is either. They are not sexually attracted to girls / boys either. However they MIGHT be influenced by the idea that if they are boys, they should like girls (not that anyone told them that, but they just see it from their family - Father and Mother, Grandma and Grandpa etc.) hence why little kids can "like" eachother. However I don't think this is really "sexuality", they don't know what sex is, they don't feel sexual attraction etc.

Again this is just my opinion and I am saying it because in Kinder Garden I used to like this one girl and then from 1st to 4th grade I also liked the same girl. Then in 5th grade I discovered masturbating and the first time I did it I was thinking of this girl, and then suddenly I started thinking about a boy from my class, it was so confusing to me. I was trying not to think about this boy, but the more I did, the better I felt. (sinner indeed)

I believe that this "feminine" personality that you have means you are more emotional etc. and maybe mixed with some things in your life (which DEFINITELY happen BEFORE you know what sex is and you are able to feel sexual attraction) can orient your sexuality. For example you are a feminine boy. Your father is an agressive asshole and you have a brother a few years older than you. Your father is shouting at your brother, beating him up etc. and you feel sad, scared etc. I think things like that can make you more vulnarable and if you are at an age where you don't know what sex is/ don't have sexual attraction it can be an INFLUENCE.

There is NO WAY that after the moment you know what sex is, you feel sexual attraction, you masturbate etc. you can "switch" your gender preference.

It MUST happen somewhere from the moment your father and your mother had sex, to the point where you are able to feel sexual attraction in general.

One thing for sure - it is definitely complex process and people always want to make everything cristal clear. Of course, no one likes complicated things right... Haters say "It's a choice", Gays say "we were born this way". At least when we say "we were born this way" we do not harm ANYONE, we don't discriminate anyone. And again which one is more logical ? Being born gay or Chosing to be gay ? I mean..

People are born straight/gay, this is SCIENTIFIC FACT, just like the law of gravity, the fact that the Earth rotates, the fact that everything is made up of atoms, etc.

No. You're wrong. It's 100% genetical, and it can't be changed. People like you giving Christians and excuse to be homophobic are the reason gay teeangers are commiting suicide.

Sexual orientation is decided at birth. This is the view everybody needs to have for society to work. We can't give Republicans/Christians an excuse to be homophobic.

I agree that there may be some genetical factor, but it's far from being 100% genetical, and just a few scientists support that theory. And it's not about givign excuses or not, it's about stating facts, we don't need a society to work based on lies, it could work if people knew the truth, but everyone has different versions so it all turns into a mess. And even so, the reason Mariano stated doesn't really work for homophobia, as it is not chosen anyway.

Not even close , unlike the other theories you mentioned, homosexuality is still up to many debates into the scientific world.

True, I was straight until I met Gaga.

People like me are the reason gay teens are comitting suicide.

And people like you are the reason that I (not a troubled 20 year old guy) wants to commit suicide.

I am just trying to look logically at eveyrything.

I think the possibility of people being born GAY is A LOT BIGGER than the possibility of enviromental factors.

However how would you explain the fact that I liked girls until the POINT where I learned what sex is etc. and I started liking BOYS ONLY when I started feeling real sexual attraction (5th grade) ?

I am not the one saying it's a choice and I am not saying it's unnatural, ALL I am saying is that it's COMPLEX and if it WAS NOT, this argument was not going to be such a huge issue of this Century.

Read my post again (or actually read my post, cuz I hardly doubt you did in the first place), then read this thread and see what kind of people are posting idiotic comments and then come back and apologize, asshole

Giving Christians Excuse to be homophobic ? Did you just say that ? You realize that this is UNHEARD level of stupidity right here, right ?

Don't blame science for right-wing bigotry, blame right-wing bigots for right-wing bigotry. Even if the whole "born this way" adage is helping to make the whole LGBT rights pill a little more easy for conservatives to swallow, it's still not based in fact and should in no way dictate scientific thought, nor should the cause of homosexuality have anything to do with whether being gay is deemed acceptable. Regardless of homosexuality's causes, there's no "excuse" for the systematic discrimination. Don't give the bigots an out.

Numerous studies have shown postnatal environment plays a huge role in sexuality in addition to genetics. There's no "100%" cause.

No one should try to commit suicide over this, I have felt really depressed several times about it, but I don't feel that not you or Tsuko are the kind of people that mostly causes this, but some of the people that think it's a choice.

That could be explained easily, because that probably happenned during the age when you were differentiating yourself sexually.

But I agree with you, it's not choice or unnatural, but something really complex.

This!

I am living proof that gay people are born that way. I felt that **** as soon as my mother gave birth to me.

I agree with this. Our environment growing up affects who we are just as much, if not more, than our genetic makeup. I think it's more complex than just being born gay. But it for sure isn't something anyone has control over.

Environment plays a role in what kind of gay someone will be, I believe. A boy raised around women isn't gay because he was raised by women, but he could have feminine characteristics and might be a little more domesticated. However, the fact he is gay was determined at birth. That's what I believe. I've liked guys for as long as I can remember. I didn't wake up one day and find myself suddenly attracted to guys. Not every case is the same though. It is very complex, but I can speak from my experience with being gay and being around other gay people.

I totally agree with you, with the difference that I clearly remember liking girls in kinder garden and school from 1st to 4th grade, and then literally OVERNIGHT i started feeling sexually attracted to guys (but that was right after when I discovered masturbation and had actual sexual attraction).
I did like girls yes, but I also really liked playing with my girlfriends with their barbies, ponies etc.

How can you explain this I liked girls (before I knew what sexual attraction is), but I also played with barbies, wore my mom's High heels etc.

That's why I am saying it's a very complex process, in my opinion and has to do with several BIG factors, not just 1.