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Discussion: Discuss your faith
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I don't believe that there's nothing spiritual in the fabric of reality - that is to say, I believe in something transcendent of how we perceive reality - but I don't subscribe to the idea that there is a deity or creator god. What science can't explain, I like to ponder - what science does explain, however, such as the creation of the earth and evolution and whatnot, I'm perfectly fine not attributing to any "greater" force. If consciousness lasts somehow after death, it's not by virtue of a sentient entity that decided to create all of us, in my opinion. While science hasn't fully explained the why of reality's existence (and can't), I also don't think that it's because of some outside sentient being. I also don't think that any conceptual "afterlife" relies entirely upon behavior while you're alive.
I'm spiritual to a degree, but I'm someone who grew up with a fascination in science and the natural world, so I've educated myself on a lot of things. I didn't really have organized religion involved in my life, and I'm personally glad that I did not; while anyone has a right to believe what they want, I would not be content in simply following whatever my parents had imposed on me, were I to realize the full situation. That's not me. I'm an independent thinker, I like when things are explained and when logic and reason take precedence, and I like coming to my own conclusions based on the whole of the information around me.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
What answers did you find in the Bible?
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How the world came into being. How **** works. Why it is deemed socially unnacceptable for me to have sex with my siblings. Science can't explain the beginning of the universe to a good enough degree, imo.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by hello_world
How the world came into being. How **** works. Why it is deemed socially unnacceptable for me to have sex with my siblings. Science can't explain the beginning of the universe to a good enough degree, imo.
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See this is what confuses me. No disrespect to you, but just b/c someone provides an answer doesn't make it the right one. Why just accept it? You seem to care about proof.
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Member Since: 11/26/2010
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I have faith in myself. I am my own god.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
See this is what confuses me. No disrespect to you, but just b/c someone provides an answer doesn't make it the right one. Why just accept it? You seem to care about proof.
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Because it literally makes no sense that The Universe came into being for no apparent reason. I think God is a better explanation that 'it just happened'.
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Member Since: 5/20/2011
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
See this is what confuses me. No disrespect to you, but just b/c someone provides an answer doesn't make it the right one. Why just accept it? You seem to care about proof.
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That kinda ties into what faith is
Hebrews 11:1-3
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Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
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Check this out.. Very short read
http://www.gotquestions.org/definition-of-faith.html
Remember, unless you are Christian, you will not understand The Bible because you don't have The Holy Spirit to help you understand it
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Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by Arioso
I don't believe that there's nothing spiritual in the fabric of reality - that is to say, I believe in something transcendent of how we perceive reality - but I don't subscribe to the idea that there is a deity or creator god. What science can't explain, I like to ponder - what science does explain, however, such as the creation of the earth and evolution and whatnot, I'm perfectly fine not attributing to any "greater" force. If consciousness lasts somehow after death, it's not by virtue of a sentient entity that decided to create all of us, in my opinion. While science hasn't fully explained the why of reality's existence (and can't), I also don't think that it's because of some outside sentient being. I also don't think that any conceptual "afterlife" relies entirely upon behavior while you're alive.
I'm spiritual to a degree, but I'm someone who grew up with a fascination in science and the natural world, so I've educated myself on a lot of things. I didn't really have organized religion involved in my life, and I'm personally glad that I did not; while anyone has a right to believe what they want, I would not be content in simply following whatever my parents had imposed on me, were I to realize the full situation. That's not me. I'm an independent thinker, I like when things are explained and when logic and reason take precedence, and I like coming to my own conclusions based on the whole of the information around me.
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Well, I do subscribe to the idea of a creator because the universe is material, and everything that is material is created. If there was a jet in front of you, would you just say, "Wow, look at that jet that just came out of thin air!" No, science can explain how it works and how it was put together, but reason tells us the jet came about from someone's idea and decision to create it. That is one reason I believe. Hawking believes the universe was created from nothing so God was not necessary, but you and I also came from nothing--we didn't exist 200 years ago and yet we went from a state of not existing, or nothing, to a state of existing, or something.
And I will also add that the Big Bang is considered a white hole, which is the opposite of a black hole. Stuff goes in a black hole and stuff comes out of a white hole, so that could mean that our universe came from somewhere else. From where, who knows, but I find that very interesting.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Miss Frizzle
That kinda ties into what faith is
Hebrews 11:1-3
Check this out.. Very short read
http://www.gotquestions.org/definition-of-faith.html
Remember, unless you are Christian, you will not understand The Bible because you don't have The Holy Spirit to help you understand it
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Originally posted by Arioso
I'm spiritual to a degree, but I'm someone who grew up with a fascination in science and the natural world, so I've educated myself on a lot of things. I didn't really have organized religion involved in my life, and I'm personally glad that I did not; while anyone has a right to believe what they want, I would not be content in simply following whatever my parents had imposed on me, were I to realize the full situation. That's not me. I'm an independent thinker, I like when things are explained and when logic and reason take precedence, and I like coming to my own conclusions based on the whole of the information around me.
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All of this, basically.
Lack of independent thinking will always be my problem with religion. People will sit here and hate and condemn things for no reason behind them just because 'it's my religion'.
It's so backwards in 2015 to sit here and be against something that has nothing wrong with it, because someone 2,000 years ago said it was incorrect and claimed a higher form told them.
That said though, I do think there's a good chance of there actually being something spiritual above. It's just that you don't need a religion tied to you (especially with how much the morals and original meanings have been wrongly interrupted and brainwashed over the past centuries) to believe it. I wish a lot of people would realize that.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
Well, I do subscribe to the idea of a creator because the universe is material, and everything that is material is created. If there was a jet in front of you, would you just say, "Wow, look at that jet that just came out of thin air!" No, science can explain how it works and how it was put together, but reason tells us the jet came about from someone's idea and decision to create it. That is one reason I believe. Hawking believes the universe was created from nothing so God was not necessary, but you and I also came from nothing--we didn't exist 200 years ago and yet we went from a state of not existing, or nothing, to a state of existing, or something.
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You have a point, in that I agree that there needs to be a cause. I don't personally subscribe the idea of a "creator" per se, but I agree with you that science kind of cops out when it comes down to the big question of, "where did reality come from?" I mean, it basically says that "time and space didn't exist until the big bang so there wasn't a 'before' or a 'cause' to be explained," and I'm sorry, but I'll never buy that. I'm not a quantum physicist, sure, so I can't claim to have deep knowledge of the ways that modern theory explains cosmogony - but I don't think I'll ever buy it as it currently stands. 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I am agnostic. I was raised as a Christian and Buddhist but then I gave up religion when I was 12. My grandma is a Buddhist, my dad is a Christian and my mum is a Buddhist. However after reading a lot of books regarding other religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam, I just couldn't discount the existence of almighty force that governs this universe. Even though I don't believe in any religion in the world, I cannot deny the existence of great power.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I don't believe in God or in a superior force. As Immanuel Kant says, "if God existed, seeing how the world goes, He'd be completely different from the one depicted in the Bible."
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by Leppie
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That's actually true. It took 3,000 years for the early Jews to know the identity of the Abrahamic God, 300 years since the writing of the last book of the Bible for early Christians to know the true nature of Jesus Christ based on what's written on it, 1,500 years for Christians to know the difference between the Old and New Testaments, and many people including Christians today still struggle comprehending a lot of things in it, while unbelievers are quick to call the Bible ******** just by one reading.
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