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News: Washington state to allow 'dignity' deaths
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Originally posted by Flashing Lights
Wow. This is pathetic. Even if it is legal, I will consider them murderers, because no life should ever be cut short, no matter what the circumstances are.
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My grandmother died about two years ago. Before that, for at LEAST two years, she was suffering so much that even I, master of being able to deal with anything, couldn't handle it and left the room that she was in. My mom told me that, during her last days, you could just sense that she was ready to get out of her body as soon as possible, that she wanted to be with her husband in the afterlife, that she DID NOT WANT TO SUFFER ANYMORE.
What is the point of this, you may be asking? Well, here's my ****ing point: My grandmother suffered through years of pain that she didn't have to suffer through. Now, if she wanted to find a peaceful way out, that would relieve her of her pain, you mean to tell me that the doctor who would help her live her final moments in harmony is a ****ing murderer?
Yeah, I know that you are "apologizing" for this now, but I don't give a ****. You are still a ****ing cretin for even assuming this nonsense, and I feel ashamed that you even THINK that this is a qualified opinion, when you fail to realize that there are other factors that go into the decision of allowing someone to die with dignity.
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Member Since: 4/23/2007
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Well, dignity has a different meaning to each person. I'm glad this is somewhere legal.
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Originally posted by Red
My grandmother died about two years ago. Before that, for at LEAST two years, she was suffering so much that even I, master of being able to deal with anything, couldn't handle it and left the room that she was in. My mom told me that, during her last days, you could just sense that she was ready to get out of her body as soon as possible, that she wanted to be with her husband in the afterlife, that she DID NOT WANT TO SUFFER ANYMORE.
What is the point of this, you may be asking? Well, here's my ****ing point: My grandmother suffered through years of pain that she didn't have to suffer through. Now, if she wanted to find a peaceful way out, that would relieve her of her pain, you mean to tell me that the doctor who would help her live her final moments in harmony is a ****ing murderer?
Yeah, I know that you are "apologizing" for this now, but I don't give a ****. You are still a ****ing cretin for even assuming this nonsense, and I feel ashamed that you even THINK that this is a qualified opinion, when you fail to realize that there are other factors that go into the decision of allowing someone to die with dignity.
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My thoughts exactly.
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Originally posted by Red
My grandmother died about two years ago. Before that, for at LEAST two years, she was suffering so much that even I, master of being able to deal with anything, couldn't handle it and left the room that she was in. My mom told me that, during her last days, you could just sense that she was ready to get out of her body as soon as possible, that she wanted to be with her husband in the afterlife, that she DID NOT WANT TO SUFFER ANYMORE.
What is the point of this, you may be asking? Well, here's my ****ing point: My grandmother suffered through years of pain that she didn't have to suffer through. Now, if she wanted to find a peaceful way out, that would relieve her of her pain, you mean to tell me that the doctor who would help her live her final moments in harmony is a ****ing murderer?
Yeah, I know that you are "apologizing" for this now, but I don't give a ****. You are still a ****ing cretin for even assuming this nonsense, and I feel ashamed that you even THINK that this is a qualified opinion, when you fail to realize that there are other factors that go into the decision of allowing someone to die with dignity.
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Exactly. Flashing Lights, you have to look at it from the dying person's point of view. If anything, the person who is dying could be considered "suicidal," but there is no way in hell that the doctor is a murderer. If you were terminally ill, and knew when you were to die, AND you were in severe pain every day, would you enjoy living? Wouldn't you rather be at peace?
This isn't going to happen to everyone who is ill, and they will have a choice. That's the idea-- choice. It has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? You make your choice. Let other people make their own.
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isnt assisted suicide legal in a few states? i dont get why people get so worked up over the way someone else closes to live(or not) their lives if the person wants to end their life then i think they should be able to without anyone else having a say in the issue.
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Originally posted by Flashing Lights
God hater. 
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God believer
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Originally posted by Johnald.
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Any who... i dont have a real stance on this at all to tell the truth.
I dont think suicide is ever the answer....
butttt in certain situations i can see where this could be very helpful to terminally ill patients and those who are suffering severely...
As per considering the doctors murders? Harsh imo.
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if someone is in constant pain, or in a vegetative state and they feel they can't take it anymore or their families cannot pay to keep them on life support anymore, of course, this should be legal. it should only be allowed,though, if there is obviously a very gloomy outlook.
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i think they lost it in the hollywood hills 
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Member Since: 1/14/2007
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I'm fine with this.
If a person wants to die, they could easily kill themselves in another way. At least this allows them a pain-free way to die.
People should be allowed to make their own choice (assuming their condition is really bad with limited chance of recovery).
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Isn't this the same as passive euthanasia?
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this is when people try to act like god ... 
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Originally posted by ♥ Shakidrian ♥
this is when people try to act like god
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True, this just emphasizes how people want to be in control.
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Originally posted by NorMal
I really don't mind, but the use of the word "dignity" irks me.
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Ditto.
While I can see how it is better to let the person decide when they are ready to die, this concept is a bit terrifying when witnessed. I think the famous case covered on 20/20 was with Dr. Kervorkian and how he assisted in people's deaths (illegally). Still, like Ryan has mentioned, certain people do deserve the right to choose when they are truly ready to die, especially after a lot of suffering.
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Originally posted by Red
My grandmother died about two years ago. Before that, for at LEAST two years, she was suffering so much that even I, master of being able to deal with anything, couldn't handle it and left the room that she was in. My mom told me that, during her last days, you could just sense that she was ready to get out of her body as soon as possible, that she wanted to be with her husband in the afterlife, that she DID NOT WANT TO SUFFER ANYMORE.
What is the point of this, you may be asking? Well, here's my ****ing point: My grandmother suffered through years of pain that she didn't have to suffer through. Now, if she wanted to find a peaceful way out, that would relieve her of her pain, you mean to tell me that the doctor who would help her live her final moments in harmony is a ****ing murderer?
Yeah, I know that you are "apologizing" for this now, but I don't give a ****. You are still a ****ing cretin for even assuming this nonsense, and I feel ashamed that you even THINK that this is a qualified opinion, when you fail to realize that there are other factors that go into the decision of allowing someone to die with dignity.
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Fine. Act like that, but let's see what the big man thinks about that.  Do you think I haven't been through that same situation? My aunt died a year ago and she was in extreme pain as well, but she was a fighter and she fought through her disease, until the ****ing day that she died. She didn't believe in dignity deaths, but she was in so much pain, she probably had the tendency. Did she think about it? Of course! She was in so much ****ing pain that at one point, she actually wanted to do it, but my aunt believed that dying that way wasn't the right way, and she knew God wouldn't have liked that. So, I'm sorry about your grandmother, but she did the right thing by not dying a dignity death. If I were to ask my aunt right now about this, she would still not believe in this at all.
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Originally posted by Flashing Lights
Fine. Act like that, but let's see what the big man thinks about that.  Do you think I haven't been through that same situation? My aunt died a year ago and she was in extreme pain as well, but she was a fighter and she fought through her disease, until the ****ing day that she died. She didn't believe in dignity deaths, but she was in so much pain, she probably had the tendency. Did she think about it? Of course! She was in so much ****ing pain that at one point, she actually wanted to do it, but my aunt believed that dying that way wasn't the right way, and she knew God wouldn't have liked that. So, I'm sorry about your grandmother, but she did the right thing by not dying a dignity death. If I were to ask my aunt right now about this, she would still not believe in this at all.
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If your aunt didn't want to die, then that is perfectly fine. She can believe whatever she wants. It is your right to believe whatever you want. The point here is that people should have the right to choose. She chose to live and that is ok but you should also be able to choose to die. Each case and each person is different and therefore it should be a choice
(Yes I know Ryan put it a little harshly which is why you probably had to respond back so I put it in nicer terms). 
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Originally posted by yankee04
If your aunt didn't want to die, then that is perfectly fine. She can believe whatever she wants. It is your right to believe whatever you want. The point here is that people should have the right to choose. She chose to live and that is ok but you should also be able to choose to die. Each case and each person is different and therefore it should be a choice
(Yes I know Ryan put it a little harshly which is why you probably had to respond back so I put it in nicer terms). 
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Just stating my opinion. I don't blame him for being harsh. He lost someone close to him, so he knows from experience how hard it is to lose someone you loved so much. Peace be with his grandmother and my aunt. 
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