|
Discussion: Do Animals Suffer?
Member Since: 8/1/2012
Posts: 3,817
|
Lately I've been feeling more passionate about animal cruelty, sounds silly, but today I felt bad for spraying ants with repellent. I feel they suffer, I grew up killing a bug if I saw it, but more recently, I try to save it, and let it go free. How do you feel about the situation?
I mean just the other day, I was sitting outside, and I seen a bunch of ants, running along, as if they were a little family, taking little leaves, and things they found, back to their house. I even thought, what happens if they don't find enough food to feed themselves, and their family. Do they starve? They also started to blow with the wind, which I even felt bad about
This isn't me protesting some PETA ****, I have no knowledge of what they're about. I myself even eat meat.
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/6/2014
Posts: 9,220
|
Ants aren't animals. Kill them. Kill them with fire.
But yes, they suffer.
|
|
|
ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 46,848
|
Of course they suffer. Much more than any of us humans and they can't complain about it like we can unfortunately.
Quote:
Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
Ants aren't animals. Kill them. Kill them with fire.
But yes, they suffer.
|
Ants are animals. Anything that falls under the category of kingdom Animalia is considered an animal.
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/8/2012
Posts: 13,178
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 13,434
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
Ants aren't animals. Kill them. Kill them with fire.
But yes, they suffer.
|
-----------
Yes especially when I watch them feeding their offspring 
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/1/2012
Posts: 3,817
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Dawn
Of course they suffer. Much more than any of us humans and they can't complain about it like we can unfortunately.
Ants are animals. Anything that falls under the category of kingdom Animalia is considered an animal.
|
And I feel like, yes I can stop, but their are so many other people that just don't view it that way, I mean this guy at work, set a spider on fire, like imagine the torture it was going through, for our amusement? It made me sick, and just the other day, their was this beetle, and the people were just spraying it with some cleaning product, just to see what it would do, and I was just like really? Why make it suffer, why torture it, as it was running for it's life. And the people don't even think about it, which I understand, because I was brought up like that, but the way they're so helpless, just makes me sad.
|
|
|
Member Since: 11/5/2007
Posts: 19,997
|
Yes.
Quote:
Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
Ants aren't animals. Kill them. Kill them with fire.
But yes, they suffer.
|
Giving me If pop stars were animals vibe. 
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 40,566
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
Ants aren't animals. Kill them. Kill them with fire.
|
Yes they are 
|
|
|
Member Since: 11/5/2007
Posts: 19,997
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Donquizote
-----------
Yes especially when I watch them feeding their offspring 
|
One of the most bittersweet moments. You can see the pain, but you can see how they love their offspring so much that they are enduring. 
|
|
|
Member Since: 11/10/2011
Posts: 14,820
|
The only animals that can't feel pain are sponges I think.
I would imagine any species of animal that has a nervous system can feel pain.
There does seem to be some kind of hierarchy though. If you kill an ant or a slug or a fish nobody really cares, but most people would be upset if you killed a chimpanzee or a dog or a dolphin.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/1/2012
Posts: 3,817
|
This thread makes me sound like I live with bugs, but I do live in Australia, their truthfully are a bunch.
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/4/2014
Posts: 22,877
|
All creatures suffer, as do we. It's all part of the circle of life, pain and joy, sadness and happiness, hate and love etc. It's always cruel to be harmful to an animal, but it is sometimes necessary. People who taunt pets or kill/cage animals for stupid things like their "prized" body parts are despicable.
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 7,918
|
Quote:
Originally posted by HabbGaga
This thread makes me sound like I live with bugs, but I do live in Australia, their truthfully are a bunch.
|
omg no i get what you mean! i was in the shower and there was some sort of small bug in there, and it fell like in the water and i was just watching it squirm around in the water looking like it was trying to get out and i started to feel really upset 
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/1/2012
Posts: 3,817
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Tsuko
The only animals that can't feel pain are sponges I think.
I would imagine any species of animal that has a nervous system can feel pain.
There does seem to be some kind of hierarchy though. If you kill an ant or a slug or a fish nobody really cares, but most people would be upset if you killed a chimpanzee or a dog or a dolphin.
|
yeah I agree, but why do we draw the line. I remember my first grade teacher, cracking at someone for killing an ant, and I didn't understand it back then, and thought it was ridiculous, but now I just can't help but feel bad for them.
Like 2 months ago, I remember their was a slug on my driveway, and I was going to remove it, but I forgot as I got into the car, and we reversed and I heard the shell crack of the slug, as it obviously got squished, and I just felt horrible.
I obviously don't express these feelings to anyone, because people would think I am insane, and I understand that, because it is in a way, but if their is some kind of suffering, nothing deserves that, and truthfully maybe animals suffer the most. They get slaughtered everyday.
|
|
|
Member Since: 12/29/2011
Posts: 1,932
|
Most Animals aren't smart enough to realize they're suffering
They know they're hungry, need to reproduce, and what causes them pain
But suffer not really.
|
|
|
Member Since: 9/1/2013
Posts: 4,260
|
Well animals kill each other too.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/1/2012
Posts: 3,817
|
Quote:
Originally posted by TayLord
omg no i get what you mean! i was in the shower and there was some sort of small bug in there, and it fell like in the water and i was just watching it squirm around in the water looking like it was trying to get out and i started to feel really upset 
|
ME TOO! It happens all the time. Like just the other day... And it's horrible, but there was no way I could save it, so I quickly turned the water head to the bug so it could go down the drain quickly, well knowing, that it would still drown, but I felt like I couldn't bare to see it happen... 
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/6/2014
Posts: 9,220
|
Ants are pests. If a raccoon comes into my house I pet it. If ants come into my house I drop the atomic bomb of raid on them.
But all life should be treated with respect and kindness.
Except ants, Mosquitoes, snakes, fleas, lice, rats, bats and the deer that eat my bushes every winter and the chipmunks that eat my begonias every spring. They all get the harshest chemicals I can import from Mexico
|
|
|
Member Since: 6/15/2010
Posts: 14,318
|
You need to be much more specific than this.
More "advanced" animals (birds, mammals etc) feel pain.
Ants? Highly debatable. Most scientists say they feel pain as a survival instinct, like their brain register what's good and bad for them, but they do not suffer like humans do.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/1/2012
Posts: 3,817
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
Ants are pests. If a raccoon comes into my house I pet it. If ants come into my house I drop the atomic bomb of raid on them.
But all life should be treated with respect and kindness.
Except ants, Mosquitoes, snakes, fleas, lice, rats, bats and the deer that eat my bushes every winter and the chipmunks that eat my begonias every spring. They all get the harshest chemicals I can import from Mexico
|
Wow you have deer, chipmunks and raccoon's come up to your house! That sounds insane, where do you live if you don't mind me asking?
|
|
|
|
|