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Discussion: How did Rihanna do it?
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Originally posted by swissman
Yes but let's also not forget that while Rihanna was making songs about asking DJs to turn the music up, Teairra was making music about not having any men around to make her feel good and not having a Daddy growing up.
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Originally posted by lonnie
Even so considering urban was wayyyyyyyy bigger than reggae and dancehall then she actually had the lesser odds of making it hence her feat is more impressive 
Ever heard of willing to wait?! Rih did R&B songs even on her first album 
And peaks on the R&B & Hip-Hop charts and audiences from there affect the position on the Hot 100 posting pop top 40 peaks would have been better 
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Well when she debuted in 2005, dancehall was experiencing an upswing in pop, so it's not out of the blue that a dancehall song would be likeable.
I've never heard of Willing to Wait, nor has most of the population so using that is pointless, unless you think that Willing to Wait is the reason that people got into Rihanna.
And yes, R&B peaks help the Hot 100, but if a song is a good 16 places higher on a pop chart, that means there is a LOT more interest in it elsewhere than just R&B.
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Good Girl Gone Bad basically ended those careers  She was also more global than Ciara or Tiara Marie to begin with.
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Originally posted by Jay Fenty
The excuses..
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lol that's an excuse to you? It's just a fact.
Hypothetically, if you reversed their musical catalogues, do you still think Rihanna would have stayed on the label?
I'm not sure why there is such pushback here. I'm not insulting Rihanna unless you feel upset hearing that Rihanna makes pop music.
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Originally posted by swissman
Well when she debuted in 2005, dancehall was experiencing an upswing in pop, so it's not out of the blue that a dancehall song would be likeable.
I've never heard of Willing to Wait, nor has most of the population so using that is pointless, unless you think that Willing to Wait is the reason that people got into Rihanna.
And yes, R&B peaks help the Hot 100, but if a song is a good 16 places higher on a pop chart, that means there is a LOT more interest in it elsewhere than just R&B.
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Dancehall was such a hit on mainstream music yet Music Of The Sun is the only dancehall/reggae inspired album to go gold this millennium, are you serious?! 
And Ciara, Chris Brown all had crossover hits. Ciara in fact had a number one, two and three song on the hot 100 and two number ones on pop, what's your point?
And Teirra Marie didn't just have one song, what the hell 
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Originally posted by M A R C
That doesn't always work.
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When has another artist done that though 
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Originally posted by GanjaSebert
When has another artist done that though 
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Rita Ora most recently 
Kesha too 
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Originally posted by lonnie
Dancehall was such a hit on mainstream music yet Music Of The Sun is the only dancehall/reggae inspired album to go gold this millennium, are you serious?! 
And Ciara, Chris Brown all had crossover hits. Ciara in fact had a number one, two and three song on the hot 100 and two number ones on pop, what's your point?
And Teirra Marie didn't just have one song, what the hell 
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1. I never said Dancehall was a "such a hit on mainstream" I said that it was a trendy genre for the time. It wasn't the top genre but with people like Sean Paul, Kevin Lyttle, Nina Sky all having hits on the Hot 100, it definitely was a thing. Rihanna's hit was still very impressive considering how high it got. I'm not taking that away from her.
2. Your stat about MOTS being the only gold album of this millenium is untrue. Sean Paul's the Trinity is platinum, for example. His previous album was 2x platinum.
3. Ciara and Chris Brown's crossover hits (Goodies, 1,2, Step, Run It, Yo (Excuse Me Miss)), were equally as popular on pop as they were on R&B (give or take a few spots). I agree. What is your point? The point I was making is when you have a #2 song on the Hot 100 and a #18 song on R&B, then there is some disparity on how much the formats support you.
4. Teairra Marie didn't have just one song, but she did have only a few singles in 2005/2006 (two) before she was dropped, which is what I was comparing to Rihanna's singles of the time like Pon de Replay and SOS.
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She has so much star power.
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Originally posted by swissman
1. I never said Dancehall was a "such a hit on mainstream" I said that it was a trendy genre for the time. It wasn't the top genre but with people like Sean Paul, Kevin Lyttle, Nina Sky all having hits on the Hot 100, it definitely was a thing. Rihanna's hit was still very impressive considering how high it got. I'm not taking that away from her.
2. Your stat about MOTS being the only gold album of this millenium is untrue. Sean Paul's the Trinity is platinum, for example. His previous album was 2x platinum.
3. Ciara and Chris Brown's crossover hits (Goodies, 1,2, Step, Run It, Yo (Excuse Me Miss)), were equally as popular on pop as they were on R&B (give or take a few spots).
4. Teairra Marie didn't have just one song, but she did have but only a few singles in 2005/2006 (two), which is what I was comparing to Rihanna's singles of the time like Pon de Replay and SOS.
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So 4 people slaying the charts with dancehall makes it a trend?
I actually didn't know Trinity did that well 
It was released after Music of The Sun though and prior to that no album had done that well.
And Chris and Ciara were slaying the mainstream charts and urban charts better than her so I don't get why you're making it seem like she had an advantage over them.
And if Teiarra has more than that daddy song, why didn't it do well?
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Originally posted by swissman
She did it with:
-Catchy pop music that always fits the musical climate
-Immense beauty
-Likability
-One of the most unique tones
-Constant releases
-Good promotion
-Controversy
As with any star, it's not one thing but a combination.
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no lies, Idk why anyone would come for you 
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Originally posted by lonnie
So 4 people slaying the charts with dancehall makes it a trend?
I actually didn't know Trinity did that well 
It was released after Music of The Sun though and prior to that no album had done that well.
And Chris and Ciara were slaying the mainstream charts and urban charts better than her so I don't get why you're making it seem like she had an advantage over them.
And if Teiarra has more than that daddy song, why didn't it do well?
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You're really reaching at any reason to make it so that Rihanna is some completely special anomaly that has slayed against all odds, huh?
I named 4 people, there are obviously more instances, and those 4 people didn't have just one song.
Trintiy was after MOTS, but again you're wrong because as I said his previous album Dutty Rock is 2x platinum and came out before MOTS.
Rihanna's advantage was that she made pop music. So while Ciara and Chris were able to slay while urban was popular, once it was no longer popular, they sort of were not either by default. Similarity, Beyoncé's album 4 did not do as well as pervious ones, being R&B in such a pop focused climate, whereas Loud was POP and did very well.
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Originally posted by lonnie
Rita Ora most recently
Kesha too 
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You're joking right
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Originally posted by swissman
You're really reaching at any reason to make it so that Rihanna is some completely special anomaly that has slayed against all odds, huh?
I named 4 people, there are obviously more instances, and those 4 people didn't have just one song.
Trintiy was after MOTS, but again you're wrong because as I said his previous album Dutty Rock is 2x platinum and came out before MOTS.
Rihanna's advantage was that she made pop music. So while Ciara and Chris were able to slay while urban was popular, once it was no longer popular, they sort of were not either by default. Similarity, Beyoncé's album 4 did not do as well as pervious ones, being R&B in such a pop focused climate, whereas Loud was POP and did very well.
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You named four people because in reality only three of them were able to get top ten hits with dancehall songs then, you make it seem like dancehall was as big as dance was in the late 2000s and early 2010s 
Receipts for Dutty Rock would be great, Rihanna was basically the only female doing over 500K units with dancehall then.
Rihanna was doing a genre that didn't sell as well as urban or pop in 2005 so of course she was at a disadvantage 
Rih wasn't doing pop till S.O.S, and even during AGLM, Break It Off which was a dancehall song hit top ten with no promo whatsoever.
And 4 had a pop lead single stop with that comparison 
I'm not saying it wasn't R&B but stop making it look like Rihanna has been doing LOUD-esque kind of music since her debut. LOUD actually was a mixture of various genres and had pop, R&B, reggae, rock pop songs so don't make it seem like it was entirely a pop record.
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Rihanna's team found their pot of gold with GGGB. They transformed Rihanna into a pop star with a more refined identity. She did not have a fan base to really alienate at the time, so the transformation was not as offensive as it would have been for some of her peers who had developed a strong urban following. The timing was perfect, with her getting Umbrella and all, and thus a pop star was formed.
Ciara did not go as far down the rabbit hole as Rihanna did in both image and sound. In short, Ciara did not reinvent her style. Not every artists has to rely on heavy image/sound overhauls though, but those artists usually have strong star power and talent (see Beyonce).
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Originally posted by lonnie
You named four people because in reality only three of them were able to get top ten hits with dancehall songs then, you make it seem like dancehall was as big as dance was in the late 2000s and early 2010s 
Receipts for Dutty Rock would be great, Rihanna was basically the only female doing over 500K units with dancehall then.
Rihanna was doing a genre that didn't sell as well as urban or pop in 2005 so of course she was at a disadvantage 
Rih wasn't doing pop till S.O.S, and even during AGLM, Break It Off which was a dancehall song hit top ten with no promo whatsoever.
And 4 had a pop lead single stop with that comparison 
I'm not saying it wasn't R&B but stop making it look like Rihanna has been doing LOUD-esque kind of music since her debut. LOUD actually was a mixture of various genres and had pop, R&B, reggae, rock pop songs so don't make it seem like it was entirely a pop record.
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I did not make it seem like dancehall was as big as dance pop, you are falsely attributing that to me when in reality I said and I quote, "dancehall was experiencing an upswing in pop".
Whether or not Rihanna was doing pop until AGLM doesn't matter because the question of the OP is why is she able to consistently get crossover hits out of the people mentioned and the answer I originally gave was that she for the most part makes pop songs while the others do not. One dancehall album + a few songs on her next CD doesn't negate the fact that the majority of Rihanna's singles are pop.
And as for LOUD being a mix of genres, yes… but pop is not a genre necessarily in itself. Pop is more of a style than a sound. So What's My Name, while having a reggae-esque sound is still pop as it features Drake, it super light, catchy and laden with hooks, whereas Run the World (which also has dancehall influences) is not really pop as it is aggressive and unmelodic. But I agree it is one of the more pop-y songs on the album.
Anyway we have discussed this too much already. Basically my answer to the question as to why Rihanna is slaying and Teairra and Ciara are not is that Rihanna makes pop music, and they do not (and when they have they did not have the pop support that comes with consistently making it).
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Rihanna's team found their pot of gold with GGGB. They transformed Rihanna into a pop star with a more refined identity. She did not have a fan base to really alienate at the time, so the transformation was not as offensive as it would have been for some of her peers who had developed a strong urban following. The timing was perfect, with her getting Umbrella and all, and thus a pop star was formed.
Ciara did not go as far down the rabbit hole as Rihanna did in both image and sound. In short, Ciara did not reinvent her style. Not every artists has to rely on heavy image/sound overhauls though, but those artists usually have strong star power and talent (see Beyonce).
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Ciara tried to reinvent her style/sound during the FR era but it tragically backfired because her core fan base wanted R&B/Hip Hop music (and still does). She embraced those mistakes, and moved on and stuck with her lane.
Other than that, I agree with this post.
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she was never exclusively rnb/hiphop like most of those ppl u named
she was doing pop and Caribbean music form the get go which made her distinct and different amongst the others. then she went full pop with GGGB and that solidified her as a household name. she then went back to experimenting with new sounds like EDM and Rock and then she would go back to RNB, Island music and pop
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