stopped reading at this point
cause yeah people are willing to hear swine on the radio

I would just like to say that Rihanna is always a favorite to compare Gaga too in terms of an under performing era then a successful one but wouldn't Kelly Clarkson be a better comparison with My December?

Gaga needs to embrace the commercial aspect of promoting. A lot of people seem to forget she caught people's attention with her very engaging music videos, when she got more pretentious and less entertaining in that aspect (it all started with 'Alejandro'), people started to write her off. I'm sure Pitchfork would have reviewed 'Born this Way' and 'ARTPOP' if only they had impactful videos as the ones of her first two albums which got single and album reviews.

Make impactful videos again, Gaga, and you're back on track, musically you're evolving and probably need more but it's ridiculous how you blame a lot stuff for having less success when your main problem is the terrible decline in your music vids.

People have never debated RR being an underpeformance until this thread.

Rated R was very radio friendly. Just bc it wasn't dance pop, doesn't mean it was some indie record.

With Loud, Rihanna gave into the pressure to create a digestible album. Gaga does not seem willing to do the same. ARTPOP was clearly the team vs. Gaga ( again ) where someone wanted commercial Gaga but Gaga wanted art Gaga. With the way things turned out, and Gaga now chanting '**** pop music,' I don't see her playing the quirky pop music girl again.

Gaga could release an album stronger than ARTPOP though with similar numbers (I think she can go platinum in the US again).

my fave also said venus is a single
she says many stuff lol
swine is radio friendly and rude boy isn't ( according to u )

I thnik yes. Good lead single and promo.

Gaga was (is?) delusional though. At the same time she said her music was not radio friendly by calling her music on ARTPOP an exquisite hard to digest dinner compared to other generic French fries of songs out there.

Rated R sold over one million more copies than Artpop, got more critical acclaim, had a five week top charting single and two more top tens. If RR is an immense flop, Artpop is the biggest flop by a main pop girl this millennium.
Can GaGa come back? Yes
Can she be as big as she was pre-artpop? Probably not.
Anyway Artpop is the bigger flop

Yes, Gaga can come back. No, Rated R wasn't a huge flop but The Navy needs to sit down, it wasn't a smash album either especially considering the time when it was released.

If only ARTPOP had the same qualiy...