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Discussion: Is Gaga's downfall in fact adjustment to normal standard?
Member Since: 7/9/2010
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Why are you trying to explain anything to the people on this site. She shut up most of the music reviewers that were critical earlier. Especially the crew at the L.A. Times. She's doing it with great singing.
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Member Since: 6/17/2011
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Art pop numbers weren't bad at all. It just underperformed since Gaga was huge.
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Member Since: 4/12/2008
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Yes.
How can an album that sold 2 million WW in a couple of months be considered a flop? while some people praises Demi or Ariana for selling 1 million.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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The media and people on here have very high standards set for gaga in the first place. Her downfall period is a norm for other main pop stars sans well tay
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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No. Going from 16M to 6.5M to 1.8M over the course of the 3 albums is not "an adjustment to normal standard." She tumbled very far downhill in terms of single sales, album sales, critical reviews, tour gross, and relevance, and so much so in just 5 years. That's not "normal" by any stretch of the imagination.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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she is held to a high standards because she is he queen of pop 
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Dr.Cake
Selling almost 10M pure records isn't something to be proud of, nor an amazing number, but giving the circumstances and how the whole era has been handled starting with the release of the record and the total media blackout following right after that, it's not something as disastruos as some may say.
The era only had one single proper music video and only two singles. The album was still selling decently at the beginning of 2014 before fading into oblivion at the end of January mainly because of the lack of any single, promo or anything regarding the album.
Handled well, it could have sold about 2,5M and DWUW could have become as big as Applause.
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well put
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Member Since: 8/4/2012
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Everyone needs to give it up, ARTPOP wasn't the biggest success (no one ever claimed that it was) and it wasn't an outright flop. End of discussion.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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"Applause" and "Do What U Want" aren't nearly as big or memorable as her past juggernaut hits, so she indeed took a major decline in that right. Her decline may be a tad exaggerated, but it makes sense. If you look at the Billboard Top Artists of the Year, she isn't even top 20. Compare that to her positions with previous eras, and the difference is alarming. Also, Gaga was an awards magnet and she hasn't been nominated for any of her solo work by major award shows, and I can't think of any minor ones where she was massively nominated or won. Even though her decline doesn't look as bad when looking at the numbers (those numbers posted on the first page are still pretty alarming. Don't know if it's the industry or just Gaga's star dimming), Gaga has faded in other areas. It's much more than the numbers. But it happens to EVERYONE eventually.
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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If this was 2010 and any of the other pop girls had an Era like ARTPOP the monsters would be the FIRST to call it a Flop sorry.
Standard: 3 million, Platinum in the USA, 100 MILLION+ Tour (#1 Hit is a plus)
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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No. To go from 16 million to 6 million to 1,8 million to 800k in less than 6 years is not normal standard
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Dr.Cake
Selling almost 10M pure records isn't something to be proud of, nor an amazing number, but giving the circumstances and how the whole era has been handled starting with the release of the record and the total media blackout following right after that, it's not something as disastruos as some may say.
The era only had one single proper music video and only two singles. The album was still selling decently at the beginning of 2014 before fading into oblivion at the end of January mainly because of the lack of any single, promo or anything regarding the album.
Handled well, it could have sold about 2,5M and DWUW could have become as big as Applause.
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This is all true. Well said.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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It's actually the reverse.
Her huge success during her initial years is what is keeping her 'normal' numbers afloat right now, but when you take into account how many fans she has lost and the % drop in her sales, you can see that the amount is huge, which is why you can say she's flopping now even though her numbers don't look so bad in comparison to the other girls at the moment. If she keeps dropping listeners percentage-wise, eventually she's going to get much lower numbers than her peers in a few short years.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Monkey_Juice
If this was 2010 and any of the other pop girls had an Era like ARTPOP the monsters would be the FIRST to call it a Flop sorry.
Standard: 3 million, Platinum in the USA, 100 MILLION+ Tour (#1 Hit is a plus) |
In 2010 yes 
And Rihanna has only 1 tour above 100M I guess she was always below the standard ?  Same for Katy. In fact only Taylor, Gaga, Bey and P!nk have at least 2 tours with 100M + so they are the only ones the last 10 years that were above the standard ?
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by OffTheWall
No. To go from 16 million to 6 million to 1,8 million to 800k in less than 6 years is not normal standard
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better than 5.2M 3M 3M 3.4M
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Member Since: 8/27/2012
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I love seeing what new excuses y'all come up with  So entertaining!
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Originally posted by Saintlor
Everything written in the OP 
People are bandwagoning the "Gaga is a flop" when the truth actually is: - Artpop - 2.5m copies sold worldwide
- Applause - 3m copies sold worldwide
- Do What U Want - 1.5m copies sold worldwide
At lot higher than a lot of people ATRL consider to be main pop girls 
People seem to be heavily influenced by what other stans and the media are saying, which is " Gaga is over" or " Artpop flopped", but the truth is that it didn't sell as well as her previous efforts, yet was an amazing sales achievement nevertheless... did any main girls besides Taylor & Beyonce outsell Artpop's 2.5m with their last album? |
Katy and Rih both did Two people who ATRL loves to claim are singles artist. Their latest tours also grossed more than artrave. I can't at you claiming ARTPOP wasn't an underperformance when Dark Horse's US sales alone outsold Applause, DWUW, and GUY
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Member Since: 1/6/2014
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she didnt have a plan,bunch of outfits,people got bored
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by EloiseheartsRiRi
People who hate on her or the people who genuinely think that she has felt from the top tier level.
Are they mistaking her downfall with the adjustment to the normal level of a top tier pop girl.
Do this people forget that she had a meteoric rise and reached sky high levels of success and fame.
Should they take in consideration that selling 15 million copies of an album, 2 -7 million selling songs and a 200 plus million selling tour all in one era are a rarity not the norm. Do they make it more tragic that it is in reality.Cuz her numbers are just fine for the today's market.  |
Germanotta had one successful era The Fame(Monster). BTW was lucky to follow up and sold well on the hype. Then artpop failed to restore her and prove she really had the ability to do something innovation yet commercially successful. So far she looks inconsistent and that the one major era was a fluke. Top tier girls like Rih and Katy are consistent in their success.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 10,540
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Originally posted by tshirt
Germanotta had one successful era The Fame(Monster). BTW was lucky to follow up and sold well on the hype. Then artpop failed to restore her and prove she really had the ability to do something innovation yet commercially successful. So far she looks inconsistent and that the one major era was a fluke. Top tier girls like Rih and Katy are consistent in their success.
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6 million selling album, 200 million plus tour gross, media frenzy and awards and big hits means BTW survived on hype? 
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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So much truth spilled in this article. It's always been the case with Gaga that she was DESTINED to "underperform" (aka. do what a normal popstar does) because her peak was just so meteoric and enormous, far greater than anyone since Britney (and perhaps even bigger tbh).
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