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Discussion: Dear Muslims of ATRL....
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Originally posted by Retro
This whole thread. 
Ignorance about other religions and cultures is not cute.
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Yaaas at queen posting I wanted to hear your opinion so bad for some weird reason lol! 
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Originally posted by Tropez
The crusades and inquisition used religion as an excuse. When you actually analyze history and people's actions where religion was used as the casus belli they all were political in nature. The crusades were nothing more than to weaken the power of merchants, the byzantine empire (which worked, the French sacked the capital) and as a way for wealth and exploitation. The inquisition was used to push out the Muslim kingdoms from Iberia and to convert them as a way to stabilize the area and gain power.
In fact why do you think after the crusades people in Europe began to advance? Islam was what preserved the ancient knowledge of Rome. In fact had it not been for Islam we may not be speaking now as the Europeans wouldn't have a glimpse of the wealth and knowledge.
Really western religion seems to always be the topic of this debate. But what about eastern religion? The Indian religions are a heck of a lot more peaceful yet people ignore them because it makes their argument against religion moot.
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Of course not all religions are the same, some are less worse, and this has fluctuated over time.
But for politics to work around religion - people have to believe and adhere it. So religion isn't just some subsidiary, much less an excuse. It's a real factor despite the attempts of the well-meaning left to re-frame these issues as poverty or assertive automony, even when those religious fundamentalists themselves say their reasons are wholly religious.
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Originally posted by Chemical X.
I don't understand why people are comparing ignorance. For the most part, at least in the US, racism/Islamophobia/homophobia/misogyny/etc. are all upheld and supported by the same types of people. I think most people that identify as progressive would be against all of them 
The only extremely troubling sentiment held by some progressives is the extreme pro-Israel, anti-Palestine rhetoric that is so prevalent here. But even with that things are slowly getting better.
I say all of this to explain that ignorance and hate can be found anywhere, just like empathy and kindness can be found anywhere. What the media shows you isn't always the truth. Tolerance must be taught and reinforced if we want these prejudices to die. |
They kind of have a point though. Personally, I'm against all prejudices.
But it's even present in ATRL. Many who were fighting on this site for black rights were the exact same people I saw make racist remarks towards Muslims. Not 1 person, not 2, but at least about 5 or 6 that I've encountered. Kinda ironic and hypocritical, don't cha think?
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Originally posted by Pagan Poetry
His personal life isn't well documented so don't be so certain. |
He's Muslim tbh. I've read it.
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
The anger.  yes, you are talking out of your damn ass. Do some research before quoting me again. Thanks. |
It's called conviction. And you can of course choose to laugh things off because you have nothing substantial to say. 
Oops, I quoted you. 
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
racist remarks towards Muslims.
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Muslims aren't a race.
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Originally posted by Pagan Poetry
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Boo hoo. You know what I meant.
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
They kind of have a point though. Personally, I'm against all prejudices.
But it's even present in ATRL. Many who were fighting on this site for black rights were the exact same people I saw make racist remarks towards Muslims. Not 1 person, not 2, but at least about 5 or 6 that I've encountered. Kinda ironic and hypocritical, don't cha think?
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I agree with you, but like we've been saying in this thread, it's extremely unfair to make such widespread generalizations. There are plenty of Black Americans, including myself and others in this thread, that believe in equality for all. I'm not going to judge an entire race/religion/etc. based off of a few ATRL members or what the media likes to highlight. There are people of every race and creed in the US that are Islamophobic. Dumb people are dumb and often incapable of empathy or critical thinking.
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Originally posted by Chemical X.
I agree with you, but like we've been saying in this thread, it's extremely unfair to make such widespread generalizations. There are plenty of Black Americans, including myself and others in this thread, that believe in equality for all. I'm not going to judge an entire race/religion/etc. based off of a few ATRL members or what the media likes to highlight. There are people of every race and creed in the US that are Islamophobic. Dumb people are dumb and often incapable of empathy or critical thinking.
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I agree. If only there were more people like us and a few others in this thread on this site smh.
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Guys just thunk if the entire 1.6 billion Muslims were as bad as some of you are saying would this world even be existing at this point? I think it's like 50 thousand talibans and maybe 100 thousand Muslim extremists who believe the Taliban that exist and should ended but not the majority of Muslims . It's as plain and simple as this yall
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muslims from pakistan, arabia, etc. are a mess! but the ones from Albania, Kosovo, even Egypt and some part of North Africa are really good and normal people. This is what happens when something reaches extreme point. RIP to the people who were killed in Sydney
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Originally posted by Anubis
Of course not all religions are the same, some are less worse, and this has fluctuated over time.
But for politics to work around religion - people have to believe and adhere it. So religion isn't just some subsidiary, much less an excuse. It's a real factor despite the attempts of the well-meaning left to re-frame these issues as poverty or assertive automony, even when those religious fundamentalists themselves say their reasons are wholly religious.
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Why else would Boko Haram use Islam as vehicle for terrorism in a Christian majority country? And why have they been so successful with recruits? We are seeing radicals all over the globe, in first world and 3rd world countries, of different socioeconomic statuses and walks of life and races all committing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. And what's more is that they tell you it's because of Islam. They held up that big black flag in Sydney and people still are ignoring this.
And it's not just how firmly one adheres to the principles of Islam, it's the principles itself.
http://www.meforum.org/1003/the-reli...icide-bombings
And by principles I mean jihadism. So much emphasis placed on fighting for Allah in exchange for paradise. More than any other faith I've come across. Many of these suicide bombers really do believe that they are going to heaven with 42 virgin wives or w/e.
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
muslims from pakistan, arabia, etc. are a mess! but the ones from Albania, Kosovo, even Egypt and some part of North Africa are really good and normal people. This is what happens when something reaches extreme point. RIP to the people who were killed in Sydney
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Wait the hostages were killed? Omg 
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Can't blame them.
But last Friday I was sitting on a table discussing various topics, and it was with me (atheist), 4 muslims and 1 christian. The things I've heard the muslims say about homosexuality (should all be killed, 'illness of richness', shouldn't come out of the closet, choice, you can't be muslim and gay at the same time), bisexuality (doesn't exist)  didn't expect them to be that extreme. And they're average muslims with the best education possible in this country.
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Originally posted by IBeMe
Wait the hostages were killed? Omg |
I can't. What did they wish to achieve with this cruelty
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Originally posted by tEA$E
Dear Muslims, **** right off.
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Let people believe what they want. The only thing that sucks is when people are allowed to use their religious power to control others.
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Originally posted by IBeMe
Wait the hostages were killed? Omg |
I don't know, I thought they were but then I noticed 5 people got away, and were not killed! my bad!
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
I don't know, I thought they were but then I noticed 5 people got away, and were not killed! my bad!
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Omg you scared me!! Thank God 5 escaped I hope all if them make it out alive thisis tragic
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Originally posted by Anubis
Of course not all religions are the same, some are less worse, and this has fluctuated over time.
But for politics to work around religion - people have to believe and adhere it. So religion isn't just some subsidiary, much less an excuse. It's a real factor despite the attempts of the well-meaning left to re-frame these issues as poverty or assertive automony, even when those religious fundamentalists themselves say their reasons are wholly religious.
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Religion has always been used by government as a way to control people. What's the most powerful tool of propaganda before the use of media and art? Religion. When you get people believing in something that makes you the government so much more powerful because then you have a platform. Religion was used by kings to keep them in power. Religion is just a farce. Human action is the true evil. Blaming religion is a scapegoat for the real issue. People.
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