Originally posted by moijejoue Don't play dumb, you don't need alot of talent to sell sexiness or doing catchy music. I know this, you know this, everyone knows this.

There are tons of girls around the world trying to get a career by selling sex, so why aren't they getting the same success as Rihanna? Not even 10% of it. If that's the reason behind her enormous success then EXPLAIN.

Originally posted by elliotis19 Rihanna has had plenty of success without "selling sex" as well. I mean, one of her biggest/earliest #1 hits features her in the video in a black tank top and jeans. What are you even...?

Originally posted by lonnie Good Lord the irony in this statement

The Hive really like to derail threads or planes in the case of their fave

Originally posted by lonnie I don't think it's possible that it could drop any lower

Originally posted by dcode78 All major pop stars have teams..so her having a good team isn't a valid point.

Originally posted by Sinister it's must be a slow day because what are y'all really fighting over right now???

Honestly, it's obvious.

The inevitable #R8 onslaught.

I expect them to be locked away in their dungeons as Rihanna's reign of success continues, since she's just so horrible and overrated.

Originally posted by elliotis19 Well, what was your starting score?

Originally posted by Drayb What I'm trying to get at is how is HE measuring talent because if talent is a subjective measurement for someone to say THIS artist has talent whereas THIS artist doesn't is strictly OPINION. When you throw out statistics, at least we are going by real, hard empirical facts. If talent is not measured by some type of facts for arguments sake, then it is the Navy's opinion that Rihanna is super talented which opinions can't sucessfully be debated and we can go at this all day long--whether or not some THINK Rihanna is talented or not.

Originally posted by Rolland There are tons of girls around the world trying to get a career by selling sex, so why aren't they getting the same success as Rihanna? Not even 10% of it. If that's the reason behind her enormous success then EXPLAIN.

Originally posted by swissman So because all artists have teams, the fact that she has a good team is not a reason that she is successful? I'm not sure that makes sense at all. Of course she has a lot of advantages other people get but who do not reach her level, but then at that point it's about likeability, luck and not much else. What do think is the secret of her success if she has things that other popstars also have?

Originally posted by swissman So because all artists have teams, the fact that she has a good team is not a reason that she is successful? I'm not sure that makes sense at all.

Originally posted by moijejoue Well, there are many factors. Their genre has a small fan base, that don't have access to good products and writers or a label willing to market the piss out of them, and being an already established act helps.

Originally posted by dcode78 The point was that she has a good team and that's solely why she's successful. All major pop stars have teams..they can't do it all by themselves. So using that argument isn't valid..it pertains to all popstars.

Originally posted by moijejoue But do you think she would manage to be around today if she just decided to drop the act?

There are girls, girl groups, former boy band members, current boy band members, etc., who are all trying to capitalize on "sex", but the rest of the package, the overall artistry just isn't there and they don't see Rihanna's level of success.

No "act" is necessary. She chooses to embrace her sexuality because she is WELL within her right to do so. As have many other icons.

What was sexy about WFL?
What was sexy about Diamonds?
Love the Way You Lie?
The Monster?

You have to find something else to hang your hat on, because that argument is not reaching your goal.

Originally posted by lonnie Luck can only take you so far

Originally posted by swissman Yes.. but it is still a reason that she is successful. Take away her team and would she be where she is? Very probably not. That can be said for all popstars but it's still a valid point. It may not be something we should argue about, but it's a point.

As long as we all can agree that MANY people would be left "in the dust" without their team when it comes to pop/superstardom/success.

Many, many, many people.

Originally posted by swissman Yes.. but it is still a reason that she is successful. Take away her team and would she be where she is? Very probably not. That can be said for all popstars but it's still a valid point. It may not be something we should argue about, but it's a point.

Originally posted by swissman Yes. But once you get that lucky #1, the second is always going to be a bit easier. The third easier still. Once you're established it's easier to debut at #1, get hits and continue to be popular. I'm not saying a #1 is easy by any means, but look at the numbers of everyone who ever released a single, how many got a #1? Now look at everyone who got a number one, how many got a second?

Y'all are reaching today!

I'm not even about to go in the way I want to on this post.

But, wow, this is so inaccurate and illogical.

Originally posted by Lein The Hive really like to derail threads or planes in the case of their fave