Too bad you have to reduce it to Soundscan era so Mariah can win. x
Thats right.
Like i said earlier. Madonna is above Mariah in the US (as well as the world) but Mariah has the achievement of getting to the 60m+ sales mark in the US in record time.
A peak era doesn't include touring. Literally nobody considers that.
When people talk about Thriller and 21 being the most successful eras of the respective centuries; is touring ever brought up?
Y'all literally only do that because Madonna tours better than every female, which is respectable but doesn't mean the eras are necessarily huge. Just means she's good with touring.
This is where I gotta disagree with you. A peak era consists of more than just album and single sales.
And the two era's your brought up are faulty comparisons because those two artists never toured to support those two albums (well MJ kinda did but it doesn't really count to many). Tour receipts are ALWAYS included within these type of discussions
Too bad you have to reduce it to Soundscan era so Mariah can win. x
Most of Madonna's numbers come from the 80's were there was no way to certify/verify actual sales and most are heavily inflated
Record labels were notorious for lying about actual sales and there have been plenty of articles exposing the lies they told before soundscan came to be
We will never actually know what Madonna actually sold in the 80's since it is based on record label figures and not soundscan
Most of Madonna's numbers come from the 80's were there was no way to certify/verify actual sales and most are heavily inflated
Record labels were notorious for lying about actual sales and there have been plenty of articles exposing the lies they told before soundscan came to be
We will never actually know what Madonna actually sold in the 80's since it is based on record label figures and not soundscan
this leads to a question how we track Madonna's peak in 80's?
So Mariah still has bigger peak, she doesn't need tour to support her sales
I know right. Asia alone consists of more than one half of the entire population. Her popularity in Asia was bigger than Madonna during the 90s. If majority of Asian countries, like Japan and South Korea, were developed countries even millions of people would flock just to see and hear Mariah's ballads with a nice addition of her Christmas carols during the 90s.
I hate it when global popularity is limited to developed countries. And even at her peak(Music Box/Merry Christmas), Mariah still sold more than Madonna in Europe, South America, heck the entire world.
In that chart, it says Madonna has more chart success than Carey
Yeah, but it doesn't say she's the best-selling female artist. Instead, Mariah is the best-selling female in the US.
& that's off-topic. It's about a bigger peak.
Mariah had a bigger US peak. 2 Diamond + 9x Platinum albums in 5 years & 11 #1's . Sorry Madonna couldn't and you need to pretend to be a Mariah stan and tear her down for that.
Most of Madonna's numbers come from the 80's were there was no way to certify/verify actual sales and most are heavily inflated
Record labels were notorious for lying about actual sales and there have been plenty of articles exposing the lies they told before soundscan came to be
We will never actually know what Madonna actually sold in the 80's since it is based on record label figures and not soundscan
lmao, just like Music Box and Daydream are certified Diamond but only sold about 7 millions . What's the excuse? Club sales? lol yeah right.
Her new album MDNA became her 10th album that reached No.1 in Australia yesterday.
She is now third in the list of artists with the most No.1 albums in Australia.
The Beatles are first with 14 chart toppers, then U2 with 11, Madonna on 10, Jimmy Barnes with nine while John Farnham and Bon Jovi each have eight No.1 albums.
MDNA also topped the charts in Britain, Ireland, Sweden, Finland and Taiwan.
The Australian album sales follow the surprisingly lukewarm response to the first two singles Give Me All Your Luvin (which peaked at No.25) and Girl Gone Wild, which debuted at No.93 this week.
The superstar will tour Australia early next year.
Peak Madonna
Like, so what. Her label wouldn't let her tour. Too bad.
A peak era includes touring. If mariah couldn't that's not Madonna's or anyone else problem.
You don't get to omit Madonna's massive touring numbers because Mariah's label wouldn't let her tour.
Touring is included in peak eras. The answer Is Madonna.
Of course you're free to argue that Madonna's peak is bigger because Mariah couldn't tour. cool. argue away but that doesn't change the answer: Madonna.
Exactly what era of Madonna's are you arguing was bigger than Mariah's? Because G0D went on a sold out world tour (where she snagged the record for fastest sellout and most attendance of the Tokyo Dome) during hers. She did only 6 dates, in AUS, ASIA, & EUR, due to contractual hindrances, but they were all successful. She had the 30M selling album, the successful singles, the 15M selling Xmas comp. I'm just trying to figure out in what way, shape, or form any Madonna era competes even if you include touring.
I don't think you guys really get it. Between album sales, single sales, acclaim and awards, touring, and chart peaks...you'd be very, very hardpressed to name an era that was bigger than Music Box/Merry Christmas. This is not rocket science, reaching, or stan bias, it's just true.
Why does it bother you guys so much to hear it? To see someone say x, y, or z, had a bigger peak than Madonna? Madonna has never had that only girl in the world, huge, huge, huge era. Britney had a bigger peak. Whitney had a bigger peak. Celine had a bigger peak. It's even arguable that Lady Gaga had a bigger peak (ofc this is a completely different era and whatnot), but you get my drift. I mean most of Madonna's praise comes from longevity and endurance til this day. The thirstiness for your fave to be #1 in everything is so...typical.
Celine has sold more albums than Madonna, Rolland.
I wonder if that fact is the reason why the crypt keepers use the term "records" when claiming Madge to be the most successful female artist.
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I don't know about sales which but the overall chart is supposed to rank the popularity, that include everything.
Oh girl. You aren't hip to the two Germans and dog "points" system, are you?
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So every Madonna era Is biggr than the Thriller era?
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Anyway, wow Queen.
And to think this stuff was happening after her peak. I could only imagine what it was like during.
Like i said earlier. Madonna is above Mariah in the US (as well as the world) but Mariah has the achievement of getting to the 60m+ sales mark in the US in record time.
Not when most of those 80s sales are way overcertified.
Mariah's sold more stateside Madonna worldwide.
If you include singles which gives Madonna a bigger advantage it's about 165m to 128m certified. And when you take into account the fact that everybody overcertified in the 80s, Madonna had longer to sell before the massive album sales decline. The difference is very minimal.
Madonnas bigger overall but Mariah had the bigger peak.
Number one every year of the 90s. Plus didn't her four albums from 1990-1995 sell close to 100m
I don't know about sales which but the overall chart is supposed to rank the popularity, that include everything.
okay, let's say Madonna overall chart is moar sucessful than Mariah but what about peak? which era is Madonna's peak? let us compare chart success between Mariah's peak and Madonna's? shall we?
Do I need to start first?
. What's the excuse? Club sales? lol yeah right.
