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Poll: Can Beyonce sell 1 million copies of albums?
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Originally posted by swissman
The question here is not if she will or won't, the question is CAN she? And the answer to that is YES. Like it was said, there are no stan glasses needed to see the potential she has for this.
She certainly could have sold that much if she surprise released on a Monday to multiple retailers, and then launched a full weeklong day-and-night promo campaign including everything you could ever conceive of for a promo campaign from print to digital to interviews to performances. She already proved to have massive interest in her album with very little provocation, this other stuff would have put her over the million mark.
But will she? Probably not. She does not seem concerned with lining everything up perfectly in order to get the best sales weeks, etc. or else she would indeed have released on a Monday.
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 Sure, literally any artist could sell 1m+ if everything aligned for them perfectly. Would it actually happen though? Hell no. The reason BEYONCE sold that much was because the album was unbundled (you had to buy the whole thing to get any of it), the tie-in music videos for each track which made buying the whole thing at once more enticing and also discouraged piracy (downloading videos takes a lot more time and is more complicated), and because of the surprise element which got it huge media coverage (yes it's not traditional promotion, but it does the same thing which is gets people talking about it and aware of it). If Beyonce had booked a full week of heavy promotion plus a physical release it would have not done as well because there is no way it would have been kept a surprise. The iTunes exclusivity also increased sales because it's one of the few instances in which the easy access of online purchases in music, thanks to the videos for every song, made sense and helped sales instead of hurting them because of how easy it is to download music. It was a brilliant release strategy and a risk that paid off but 1m was never in question. She's never had that kind of power.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
The ridiculous, desperate, embarrassing attempts to discredit Britney  Then why are you even in this thread trying to give an alternate universe what if scenario about how Beyonce would have sold 1m+ if she did x amount of promo  |
My point was not to discredit Britney, as I said the song is very iconic and it made it's mark, it's just that the album is not remembered for the record of biggest selling female debut. Don't be so sensitive. Do you think the average person knows this stat? If not, then I have not discredited anyone because I have not taken a credit away from her.
As for the alternative universe comment, have you read the thread title? The first word in it is " can". It implies a conditional state, thus speculate and alternative universes are perfectly valid. If the question was "will" then more concrete facts should be used, but "can" begs us to think about scenarios and options that would allow her to do it, and then to guess if she would be able to do it with these scenarios.
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NOBODY gives a rat's ass about any music sales outside of the industry and the stan world. Literally nobody knows or cares about any Billboard records. It's not just Oops album.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Sure, literally any artist could sell 1m+ if everything aligned for them perfectly. Would it actually happen though? Hell no. The reason BEYONCE sold that much was because the album was unbundled (you had to buy the whole thing to get any of it), the tie-in music videos for each track which made buying the whole thing at once more enticing and also discouraged piracy (downloading videos takes a lot more time and is more complicated), and because of the surprise element which got it huge media coverage (yes it's not traditional promotion, but it does the same thing which is gets people talking about it and aware of it). If Beyonce had booked a full week of heavy promotion plus a physical release it would have not done as well because there is no way it would have been kept a surprise. The iTunes exclusivity also increased sales because it's one of the few instances in which the easy access of online purchases in music, thanks to the videos for every song, made sense and helped sales instead of hurting them because of how easy it is to download music. It was a brilliant release strategy and a risk that paid off but 1m was never in question. She's never had that kind of power. |
You're right in some ways, but BEYONCÉ proved already to be a massive success without a huge promo schedule, so it is not far fetched in the least to presume that WITH promo added to all that, it would have done significantly better. People were interested, even if they didn't buy it, and that interest would turn into viewers, which likely could turn into sales.
You're also right that the surprise wouldn't be kept, though it is possible if she only contacted the high-up, necessary people for promo that it could have been kept, and it's not far fetched to assume that if she said "Hey Dave Letterman, can I come on the show tonight" that he would not have said "uh no sorry I'm busy. I know you just released a huge album but I don't think that would be good for our show" Do you think that?
What I'm saying is it's possible that 600,000+ 3 days … could have been 1,000,000 with 1 week + promo, even if the promo came at the end of the week when the surprise was over and things could be organized.
And no, not every artist could sell 1+ million with perfect promo. That's ridiculous to claim. You have to have some proof of interest to begin with. Like in the 4 era, there was not that interest, so all the promo wouldn't help. In this era there was, so promo would have been a benefit.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
NOBODY gives a rat's ass about any music sales outside of the industry and the stan world. Literally nobody knows or cares about any Billboard records. It's not just Oops album.
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Yes. I agree.
Impact and all that are far more important, because that's what people really remember.
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LOL no. She didn't do that at her biggest peak when album sales were way better and she didn't do it with her surprise release thing either. I doubt she'd sell over 400k with a normal release nowadays.
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BUT to be fair to her no one will at this point....unless your name is Taylor Swift.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
NOBODY gives a rat's ass about any music sales outside of the industry and the stan world. Literally nobody knows or cares about any Billboard records. It's not just Oops album.
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THIS IS TRUE! and majority of the people thats not in the industry or a stan don't even know the amount of sales that it takes to go gold or platinum! its really about IMPACT!
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Sure, literally any artist could sell 1m+ if everything aligned for them perfectly. Would it actually happen though? Hell no. The reason BEYONCE sold that much was because the album was unbundled (you had to buy the whole thing to get any of it), the tie-in music videos for each track which made buying the whole thing at once more enticing and also discouraged piracy (downloading videos takes a lot more time and is more complicated), and because of the surprise element which got it huge media coverage (yes it's not traditional promotion, but it does the same thing which is gets people talking about it and aware of it). If Beyonce had booked a full week of heavy promotion plus a physical release it would have not done as well because there is no way it would have been kept a surprise. The iTunes exclusivity also increased sales because it's one of the few instances in which the easy access of online purchases in music, thanks to the videos for every song, made sense and helped sales instead of hurting them because of how easy it is to download music. It was a brilliant release strategy and a risk that paid off but 1m was never in question. She's never had that kind of power. |
Funny. She's never had "that kind of power", but she still was able to sell 991k in 10 days with no promo and only minor physical support. I could care less honestly. The fact that she was able to sell that with an extra 3 days past this "week only" deadline is amazing. She has that kind of power. Selling 1M in 11 days. Not just anyone can do that. 
And you're kidding yourself if you think "anyone" can have a 1M opening in a week. Or even 11 days for that matter.
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She could with some good ol' promo and a massive lead single
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Let's just put this simply.
Taylor sold 1.2 this week. If we said, "Could she have sold 400,000 more to be at 1.8?", we could probably say, "No she couldn't" because there's not a whole lot that she could have done that she hadn't already. She promoted a lot, she had pre-orders, she was all over, etc. She would have had to conceive of something absolutely MASSIVE in order to get that much more people buying the album.
Now as for Beyoncé, she surprise released in 3 days of sales, and sold over 600,000. We could ask, "Could she have sold 400,000 more to be at 1+ million?" and we could probably say "Yes she could" because she had less than half the sales days available, and there was still a LOT more promo that she could have done to make sure people were buying the album.
Do you see how that works? We must balance the facts we know with the possibilities are available.
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With the surprise release, yes. That's of course if she would've sent it to retailers like Walmart and Target, but if she would've done that the surprise element would've left. So...I don't know.
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She already sold 1M+ albums in a few days so anyone posting "no" is wrong.
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Originally posted by Vespertine
How when it didn't even sell 1m in the first 10 days? 
With a relentless promo schedule for RTW/4, she did like 300k first week. The massive hype/media frenzy of the surprise release is why she did 600k in 3 days, and that's not something she can replicate. So I doubt it. |
Excuse? Are you forgetting that the album was leaked a month earlier? Lol.
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For those saying she did, the OP means in the US only.
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Originally posted by Mr.Link
She sold 600k in a weekend, she could have easily sold 1M of her self titled album if she had released it on a Monday.
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Yet it took her 10 days to sell a million 
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Originally posted by swissman
Let's just put this simply.
Taylor sold 1.2 this week. If we said, "Could she have sold 400,000 more to be at 1.8?", we could probably say, "No she couldn't" because there's not a whole lot that she could have done that she hadn't already. She promoted a lot, she had pre-orders, she was all over, etc. She would have had to conceive of something absolutely MASSIVE in order to get that much more people buying the album.
Now as for Beyoncé, she surprise released in 3 days of sales, and sold over 600,000. We could ask, "Could she have sold 400,000 more to be at 1+ million?" and we could probably say "Yes she could" because she had less than half the sales days available, and there was still a LOT more promo that she could have done to make sure people were buying the album.
Do you see how that works? We must balance the facts we know with the possibilities are available.
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But you know that at the same time, people bought the album because it was bundled together with the videos and all that. Also because it was a surprise release. If it would've been any other way, with promo aligned, it definitely wouldn't have been a surprise and the "it" factor would've probably made it look like a traditional release.
That being said, I still think she can sell 1 million in just one week.
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Originally posted by swissman
Let's just put this simply.
Taylor sold 1.2 this week. If we said, "Could she have sold 400,000 more to be at 1.8?", we could probably say, "No she couldn't" because there's not a whole lot that she could have done that she hadn't already. She promoted a lot, she had pre-orders, she was all over, etc. She would have had to conceive of something absolutely MASSIVE in order to get that much more people buying the album.
Now as for Beyoncé, she surprise released in 3 days of sales, and sold over 600,000. We could ask, "Could she have sold 400,000 more to be at 1+ million?" and we could probably say "Yes she could" because she had less than half the sales days available, and there was still a LOT more promo that she could have done to make sure people were buying the album.
Do you see how that works? We must balance the facts we know with the possibilities are available.
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No cause it took her 10 days to reach a million
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Ofc swissman is in here typing a lot yet not really saying much. 
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Originally posted by trainsskyscrapers
Excuse? Are you forgetting that the album was leaked a month earlier? Lol.
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Oops and 1989 leaked too.
Stop trying and be happy she more than doubled her numbers between 4 n bey.
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Originally posted by Whiskey Mouth
But you know that at the same time, people bought the album because it was bundled together with the videos and all that. Also because it was a surprise release. If it would've been any other way, with promo aligned, it definitely wouldn't have been a surprise and the "it" factor would've probably made it look like a traditional release.
That being said, I still think she can sell 1 million in just one week.
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Yes, and I'm arguing that with the exact same release: Visual Album + Surprise but + Promo instead of no promo, it would have sold a lot more.
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Originally posted by Popboi.
No cause it took her 10 days to reach a million
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Yes, I know, but did you even read what I said?
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