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Celeb News: Kesha Swore Under Oath Dr. Luke Did NOT Sexually Assault Her
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Mess if the claims are true and Kesha was too scared to admit the truth.
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It's so hilarious how moronic people are in here. Kesha isn't going to jail for lying in court.
The worst case scenario is that she'll have to pay some insignificant fine.
The bottom line is that Kesha will get out of her contract with Dr. Luke, her rapist. And Dr. Luke will cover all court costs and will give Kesha a large settlement to end this case, or Kesha and Mark Geragos, Michael Jackson's lawyer, are filing a criminal case and things get very serious for Lukasz "this-will-be-funny, use-chicken-stickers" Gottwald. Jail time serious.
...Vin
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by RihannaRTT
I have another question, but this is only because I don't know the actual answer. I read somewhere that this is NOT a criminal case? Does that mean if Luke is found guilty, that he would not go to jail, and would only go to jail if he was also tried and found guilty in a Criminal Court, and the only thing awarded by the judge for this type of case would be to free her from the contract and monetary compensation? Or am I wrong? I don't live in the USA so I'm not really clear on this. Would someone help a sista out?
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a court case between two private citizens is always a CIVIL suit, meaning punishment cannot include jail time.
however, if there is evidence unearthed during the civil suit to suggest illegal activities, the prosecutor's office usually steps in and files a second CRIMINAL court case.
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Originally posted by RihannaRTT
I have a question. If the victim was a male and the accused was a female, would ya'll still be the same way? Or is it just the stereotype of a male sexually abusing a female that ya'll are clearly convinced by?
She has absolutely no proof and this just makes it worse that she lied under oath. Surely if something this serious was going on, that would have been the perfect time to say, "you know what this has been going on and it needs to stop now".
I don't see how people can make such concrete decisions and will take the "victim"'s side. Just because a victim claims something, doesn't make it true. Does this mean I should go claiming the people I hate sexually abused me so they get locked up without trial? No, that's why we have trials; so the evidence can be laid before a judge or jury. One person's words are worth no more than another person's words.
Obviously, if he is guilty, then it was a horrible thing to do and he should be locked up. But he remains innocent until proven guilty. People need to remember that. The jury, at the end of the day, will make the final decision. I'm sure they will make the right one according to the circumstances and evidence at the time of the ruling.
Also this gif is perfect tbh
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I have a question. Would you have believed Rihanna if she said Chris Brown beat her if she had no proof and those pictures had never been leaked?
Anytime someone says they've been a victim of abuse, whether it's been two days or two years, you should believe them. You're garbage, if you don't, in my opinion. But even if you don't believe them, that's fine, just sit down and keep your ****ing mouth shut. Playing devil's advocate and calling someone a liar does not help anyone. In fact, it perpetuates rape culture and the idea that victims should stay silent out of fear of ridicule or disbelief.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by Vin
It's so hilarious how moronic people are in here. Kesha isn't going to jail for lying in court.
The worst case scenario, she'll have to pay some insignificant fine.
The bottom line is that Kesha will get out of her contract with Dr. Luke, her rapist. And Dr. Luke will cover all court costs and will give Kesha a large settlement to end this case, or Kesha and Mark Geragos, Michael Jackson's lawyer, are filing a criminal case and things get very serious for Lukasz "this-will-be-funny, use-chicken-stickers" Gottwald. Jail time serious.
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Ke$ha is a celebrity  and unless the judge is a family friend, it's 50/50 whether the court will choose to make a high profile example of the consequences of perjury out of her.
And still, no evidence has arrived suggesting Dr. Luke is a rapist other than Ke$ha's word, and some ramblings to psychiatrists, which are not great testimonials in a court of law.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Two outcomes:
1. Ke$ha will win.
2. Settling out of court.
Bookmark me. His goal to make her seem crazy and out of balance will backfire.
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So messy 
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Originally posted by Cardinal_Luis
Two outcomes:
1. Ke$ha will win.
2. Settling out of court.
Bookmark me. His goal to make her seem crazy and out of balance will backfire.
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it seems more like his goal is to make Ke$ha out to be an opportunistic liar, and it's working.
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Originally posted by Sinister
but if they asked her 3 years ago...then there must have been something going on from the start that would account for such questions to be asked in the first place
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exactly. if her lawyer is good, which he appears to be, they can easily maneuver around this and even use it to their advantage.
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by Grumpy Gills
People willing take roofies, all kinds of other drugs. language is super important in these kind of cases. **** can be implied but when it comes down to it, she was asked if she was given it not if she was ever given one against her will.
Now her lawyers can argue that she never took it but was given it against her will. Which is why she said no when asked, but that again opens up the argument of her saying she never thought he drugged her.
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We don't know who's lawyer was asking the questions... which could explain why it's worded like that.
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Obviously the victim will not admit it if they are in fear.
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This would ALL be over if Luke would just confess. But no.
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It is possible she was lying back then tho. I hope you all know this. One girls I know was involved in an underage sex scandal and she was being raped. She testified that the whole thing was consensual when it really wasn't.
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Originally posted by konaa
I have a question. Would you have believed Rihanna if she said Chris Brown beat her if she had no proof and those pictures had never been leaked?
Anytime someone says they've been a victim of abuse, whether it's been two days or two years, you should believe them. You're garbage, if you don't, in my opinion. But even if you don't believe them, that's fine, just sit down and keep your ****ing mouth shut. Playing devil's advocate and calling someone a liar does not help anyone. In fact, it perpetuates rape culture and the idea that victims should stay silent out of fear of ridicule or disbelief.
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No. I wouldn't have. Those pictures were the proof. Word alone is not enough to convict unless there is word from a third party too.
And I completely disagree with what you said. I don't agree with locking up innocent people for doing nothing wrong. The circumstances, witnesses and evidence are all required to make such a decision. "Someone said this" is not valid. Playing devil's advocate is the best thing to do in all cases because it may come a surprise, but these things DO happen. I will definitely feel sympathetic for the "victim" but the accused is still innocent until proven guilty and that is so people don't lie and get innocent people locked up for personal gain.
As I said, I'm not saying this definitely happened but it's a possibility and people should stop making decisions until the jury votes or more evidence is put forward. Innocent until proven guilty. Always.
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Kiii i am PERCHEDTT to see what will happen.
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Originally posted by konaa
I have a question. Would you have believed Rihanna if she said Chris Brown beat her if she had no proof and those pictures had never been leaked?
Anytime someone says they've been a victim of abuse, whether it's been two days or two years, you should believe them. You're garbage, if you don't, in my opinion. But even if you don't believe them, that's fine, just sit down and keep your ****ing mouth shut. Playing devil's advocate and calling someone a liar does not help anyone. In fact, it perpetuates rape culture and the idea that victims should stay silent out of fear of ridicule or disbelief.
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What's the point of a trial if we can convict on hearsay?  My god.
And the difference is that the Rihanna vs Chris case was a criminal case, as he physically assaulted her. K$ vs Luke is a civil case, as in she just wants to get out of her contract as compensation. If she were pursuing a criminal case with the prosecution (meaning she had evidence to back up claims of illegal behavior), it would be a different story.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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her chances of winning this lawsuit are now dramatically reduced 
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