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Discussion: If Taylor Swift is local...
Member Since: 9/17/2012
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Originally posted by EdwardB
Pretty arrogant.
I wanna borrow your explanation:When will you realize that artists don't have to be successful only in english speaking countries to be considered WW phoenomena??
WW doesn't mean America.Europe exists and music is a thriving business here.You can either deal with it or deny the evidence.
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There's nothing arrogant about what he said. He didn't say that WW means America. He's asking why are people judging globalness by European presence alone, when Europe is not the only continent on the planet? You know, Asia, Africa, Oceania, and the Americas exist.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by boodytay
He's asking why are people judging globalness by European presence alone
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This never happened though.
Instead It seemed like you were discrediting the European market just because no one buys/knows her music here.She probably doesn't even need to,I know that,but that still doesn't make her "global" ( http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...english/global ).
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
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She isn't local. People on ATRL just call anybody who's more successful in the US than in other countries "local", when infact that's not true (and it's not just Taylor, people say this about Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Miley Cyrus, etc. too when in fact ALL of them are famous worldwide).
Every artist has one country where they're slightly more successful than others, but it doesn't mean they're local to that country.
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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She'll be on her way out soon.
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Member Since: 9/7/2012
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Originally posted by EdwardB
This never happened though.
Instead It seemed like you were discrediting the European market just because no one buys/knows her music here.She probably doesn't even need to,I know that,but that still doesn't make her "global" ( http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...english/global ).
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Originally posted by EdwardB
In European charts Shake it off didn't reach really high positions;28 in France,27 in Germany,16 in Italy,98 Netherlands and similar positions in the other countries...
So forgive me if I say that she is mostly a US phoenomenon.She's huge,mighty and powerful.Just not WW.
In my country (Italy) only flaming gays who follow obsessively pop culture know who she is.
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hmm...
Pretty confusing 
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Member Since: 9/7/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by EdwardB
Pretty arrogant.
I wanna borrow your explanation:When will you realize that artists don't have to be successful only in english speaking countries to be considered WW phoenomena??
WW doesn't mean America.Europe exists and music is a thriving business here.You can either deal with it or deny the evidence.
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According to you Taylor is a WW phenomenon. She's huge in Asia. And I believe most of the Asian countries are not English-speaking countries 
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Member Since: 9/7/2012
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Originally posted by EdwardB
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Then pretty much everyone is local.
The problem here is y'all acting like she's local 'cause she is not big in Europe when she's one of the biggest Western acts in Asia and pretty huge in Oceania.
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So forgive me if I say that she is mostly a US phoenomenon.She's huge,mighty and powerful.Just not WW.
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Y'all acting like Europe is the only continent deciding who is local and who isn't then accuse Artemisia for discrediting European market. 
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
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Originally posted by EdwardB
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By that definition Taylor is global.
You're getting confused. You're thinking because Taylor is bigger in the US than in other countries that she's local.
For example, Rihanna is bigger in the UK than most other countries, but that doesn't make her local to the UK.
Also, the charts aren't the be-all and end-all of everything. Justin Bieber and One Direction are some of the biggest acts this decade so far, but they haven't done THAT well in the charts. You can't just use the singles charts to judge how big someone is. If you do, then that makes someone like Flo Rida bigger than One Direction, which is just ridiculous.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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She is not local.
She is just not as global as Gaga, Rihanna, Beyonce and P!nk.
Taylor is just as global as Katy. Taylor is huge in USA, Canada, Australia + NZ and Asia, Katy is huge in the same areas but instead of Asia, Europe. ( Taylor is also popular in some Europe countries however) ...
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Member Since: 8/1/2008
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Didn't she sell 2M copies of (each) Fearless and Red outside of the US?
That's the average that Rihanna sells with her albums and some people call her the most global artist of the moment...
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Member Since: 9/17/2012
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Originally posted by EdwardB
This never happened though.
Instead It seemed like you were discrediting the European market just because no one buys/knows her music here.
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You are exhibiting a strong case of failed reading comprehension. And please stop with your assumptions. I never discredited the European market, nor is Taylor unknown in Europe. She is popular in some European countries, like the UK, Ireland and the Scandinavian countries, and not popular in others, like the Southern European countries (France, Germany, Italy, etc.)
I simply said that globalness cannot be judged by popularity in the European market alone because it's not the only market on the planet. You have to take other markets in consideration too.
And I don't need to see a definition of the word "global", you are the one who seems to be in need of reading it in order to understand that "global" means "the whole world", not "Europe alone".
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Mr.Link
Didn't she sell 2M copies of (each) Fearless and Red outside of the US?
That's the average that Rihanna sells with her albums and some people call her the most global artist of the moment...
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As long as her US sales and WW sales are not proportionate, then she's not global.
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Member Since: 6/9/2012
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Being popular on Europe doesn't make you global. Where did ATRL get this ridiculous idea from?
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Guys,seriously,you can keep pretending to not understand what I'm saying.Just tell me first,I don't wanna waste time.
I never said that just being popular in Europe makes you global.But to be "global" you have to be popular everywhere (Including Europe!Wich is not one of the smallest markets)!
It's as simple as that.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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she was seriously local for her first album, then love story was decently successful globally (not as much as in the US but still successful) which made her somewhat more popular worldwide, and finally once red and i knew you were trouble came along, she became just as strong WW as a lot of pop girls.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by boodytay
There's nothing arrogant about what he said.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
When will you Europeans realize that artists don't have to be successful in your largely irrelevant continent to be successful worldwide?
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How is that not arrogant? 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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shes very popular in india and china( 2 billions) so idk what global are u talking abt
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by Nano
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It's true. Many European markets are small and irrelevant. Germany and the UK are the most notable ones, and Taylor does quite well in the UK. She has 6 top 10s there and 3 top ten albums (only Red went number 1). SIO is still selling well there (currently #3 of iTunes) without any kind of traditional delayed single release schedule.
It doesn't matter that she doesn't slay France or Spain, when those countries have smaller music markets than Australia, Canada, Japan, the UK, and China, all countries where she does well.
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Member Since: 9/7/2012
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Originally posted by EdwardB
Guys,seriously,you can keep pretending to not understand what I'm saying.Just tell me first,I don't wanna waste time.
I never said that just being popular in Europe makes you global.But to be "global" you have to be popular everywhere (Including Europe!Wich is not one of the smallest markets)!
It's as simple as that.
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 According to your logic then no one is global right now (this decade).
By the way, you can continue pretending you did not day she's largely a US only phenomenon by dismissing her power in non-European countries I am okay with it because I am a good person.
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