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Poll: Should Beyoncé Leave SONY/Columbia?
View Poll Results: Well?
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Leave Sony/Columbia!
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Stay with Sony/Columbia!
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SIgn with other RECORD LABEL
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3.92% |
GO INDEPENDENT
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Start her own LABEL
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I don't know why ya'll romanticise this freedom Columbia offers. Beyoncé needs label services and Columbia isn't the best to do it.
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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Originally posted by swissman
Your entire argument seems to be "How do you really know for sure?" which essentially adds up to no point being made whatsoever.
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No, my point is: You fans give her way too much credit because you choose to believe the PR that she puts out there which is fine but that doesn't make it the truth. Anyone that isn't blinded by sheer fandom can see that Beyonce may be able to sing and dance, but she is just like any other artist that relies on a TEAM of people behind-the-scenes to make things happen for her. It's actually insulting that none of those hardworking individuals ever seem to get any of the credit for helping to craft, and most of the time, originate the ideas that she (unfairly) receives sole credit for.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by beyawnse
I don't know why ya'll romanticise this freedom Columbia offers. Beyoncé needs label services and Columbia isn't the best to do it.
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What does she need that they aren't giving her?
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Wouldn't make much difference.
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Originally posted by Beyond Say
Columbia didn't even know she was releasing. That was all Parkwood Ent., boo.
Anywho, a guy on TBH.com who has a lot of tea of Bey said that Columbia offered her a $200M 360 deal and she laughed it off. She apparently has one more album under her contract with them which will most likely be a Greatest Hits and then she plans to utilize Parkwood 100% for everything.
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I herd about the $200M deal, it would be stupid of her to do it. She can score $200M alone on one tour and that's not including her album sales, tour merchandise, her online store and other music related ventures.
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Originally posted by beyawnse
I don't know why ya'll romanticise this freedom Columbia offers. Beyoncé needs label services and Columbia isn't the best to do it.
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Right do people not remember her singing this
If she don't trust COLUMBIA and presumedly all LABELS where she going then?
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Beyond Say
Columbia didn't even know she was releasing. That was all Parkwood Ent., boo.
Anywho, a guy on TBH.com who has a lot of tea of Bey said that Columbia offered her a $200M 360 deal and she laughed it off. She apparently has one more album under her contract with them which will most likely be a Greatest Hits and then she plans to utilize Parkwood 100% for everything.
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Only 1? it's coming then 
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Originally posted by JessPop
No, my point is: You fans give her way too much credit because you choose to believe the PR that she puts out there which is fine but that doesn't make it the truth. Anyone that isn't blinded by sheer fandom can see that Beyonce may be able to sing and dance, but she is just like any other artist that relies on a TEAM of people behind-the-scenes to make things happen for her. It's actually insulting that none of those hardworking individuals ever seem to get any of the credit for helping to craft, and most of the time, originate the ideas that she (unfairly) receives sole credit for.
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But this argument is still not based in fact. I agree that her team helps her a lot. She cannot be the one coming up with each and every idea, but as the director of her own brand, she is able to pick and choose what she wants to do, or tell people exactly what she wants to do and have them make it happen for her.
Every since popstar is in the same situation that you described at the end. I don't hear any popstars say things like, "It was actually Greg Rosenberg in PR who came up with the idea to promote my album by riding the subway." or "I just wanted to thank my hair and makeup team who had the great idea to give me this iconic hair." etc. It's just not a thing.
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Originally posted by JessPop
No, my point is: You fans give her way too much credit because you choose to believe the PR that she puts out there which is fine but that doesn't make it the truth. Anyone that isn't blinded by sheer fandom can see that Beyonce may be able to sing and dance, but she is just like any other artist that relies on a TEAM of people behind-the-scenes to make things happen for her. It's actually insulting that none of those hardworking individuals ever seem to get any of the credit for helping to craft, and most of the time, originate the ideas that she (unfairly) receives sole credit for.
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Yes, they're called Parkwood and she is the CEO of Parkwood. She makes all the decisions. If she didn't want to do a surprise release she wouldn't have done so.
You seem to be forgetting that Beyoncé is close to both Kanye (a friend) and Jay-Z (her husband) who both released their albums with only 2 weeks notice. Not exactly the same as what she did, but close enough to inspire her to do something similar.
Beyoncé is not some stupid pop tart or label puppet. The fact that she created Parkwood should tell you all you need to know about her business sense.

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Originally posted by swissman
Your entire argument seems to be "How do you really know for sure?" which essentially adds up to no point being made whatsoever.
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Thank you.
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Columbia is not holding Beyoncé in anything. I don't see a reason fore her to go independent with all the freedom she already has.
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Columbia does support her but not as much as they should, they went all out with Adele and Happy but payed her dust during the 4 era. They could have sent some of her songs to be promoted in more commercials, put them in TV shows, pushed her singles more but they didn't.
With BEYONCE they wanted to make it up but she shut them down, they landed her a spot during the New Years Countdown at the end of 2014 and she neglected them.
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Originally posted by swissman
What does she need that they aren't giving her?
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Don't you remember the 4 fiasco?
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Originally posted by JessPop
No, my point is: You fans give her way too much credit because you choose to believe the PR that she puts out there which is fine but that doesn't make it the truth. Anyone that isn't blinded by sheer fandom can see that Beyonce may be able to sing and dance, but she is just like any other artist that relies on a TEAM of people behind-the-scenes to make things happen for her. It's actually insulting that none of those hardworking individuals ever seem to get any of the credit for helping to craft, and most of the time, originate the ideas that she (unfairly) receives sole credit for.
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lol, but she gave them an entire section in her 2014 OUT Magazine article. Every one of them praising her, her drive, her vision, her ideas etc.
Take a read http://www.out.com/entertainment/mus...y-crew#slide-1
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Originally posted by Triton
Columbia does support her but not as much as they should, they went all out with Adele and Happy but payed her dust during the 4 era. They could have sent some of her songs to be promoted in more commercials, put them in TV shows, pushed her singles more but they didn't.
With BEYONCE they wanted to make it up but she shut them down, they landed her a spot during the New Years Countdown at the end of 2014 and she neglected them.
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I think what this proves is that Beyoncé didn't want to do all that. The 4 era was about her managing her own career, making her own decisions and finally getting able to flex her artistic muscle as she wanted to. I don't think having songs in commercials and TV shows really represents that and the fact that she turned down the New Year's countdown is further evidence that she doesn't want that type of career anymore. If she did, she would have been out there promoting BEYONCÉ the way she used to do and the way all popstars still do.
She's carved her own lane and it is a FABULOUS, FLAWLESS lane.
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Originally posted by JessPop
No, my point is: You fans give her way too much credit because you choose to believe the PR that she puts out there which is fine but that doesn't make it the truth. Anyone that isn't blinded by sheer fandom can see that Beyonce may be able to sing and dance, but she is just like any other artist that relies on a TEAM of people behind-the-scenes to make things happen for her. It's actually insulting that none of those hardworking individuals ever seem to get any of the credit for helping to craft, and most of the time, originate the ideas that she (unfairly) receives sole credit for.
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You must not be subscribed to TIMES magazine.
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I met her when I worked at Columbia Records. I’d see her was when I was working on things like the VMAs. She’s such a visual artist. Always has been. Long before she decided this was the way she wanted to present her record.
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Lee Anne Callahan-Longo – General Manager, Parkwood Entertainment [X]
hihi, Jess
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by beyawnse
Don't you remember the 4 fiasco?
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What was Columbia supposed to do? Force her for record generic dance songs?
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Originally posted by JessPop
No, my point is: You fans give her way too much credit because you choose to believe the PR that she puts out there which is fine but that doesn't make it the truth. Anyone that isn't blinded by sheer fandom can see that Beyonce may be able to sing and dance, but she is just like any other artist that relies on a TEAM of people behind-the-scenes to make things happen for her. It's actually insulting that none of those hardworking individuals ever seem to get any of the credit for helping to craft, and most of the time, originate the ideas that she (unfairly) receives sole credit for.
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You're reaching. Obviously Beyoncé does not do it by herself, NO ONE DOES. We are saying the people that help her put her work together are her employees and not of her label. This is fact and you can look it up by googling parkwood entertainment. Her label does all the technical things later.
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Originally posted by bey0nce
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And they are still people that are on her payroll and wouldn't speak ill of her if they still valued their jobs and financial security. Every one of you that has stepped up to "defend" her thus far hasn't said anything that wasn't present in her self-promoting documentary last year which also wasn't a genuine representation of her normal day-to-day business or career wise.
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