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Originally posted by sychung4650
But I'm assuming it's not just racial bias. I mean they ARE probably racist towards blacks and Latinos...but they're just power hungry and many evil people that will arrest anyone if they can or even if it's against the law.
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Not really. I've seen and read from alot of Ex cops that they are told to specifically go into poor black neighborhoods because these neighborhoods are usually majority black and segregated due to white flight. Despite the statistics that white people use drugs more they don't care because poor black people don't have a voice. If they began going into the white neighborhoods then things would change because those people with more money actually have a voice.
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Originally posted by sychung4650
But I'm assuming it's not just racial bias. I mean they ARE probably racist towards blacks and Latinos...but they're just power hungry and many evil people that will arrest anyone if they can or even if it's against the law.
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which explains why White people aren't out here getting shot for wearing hoodies...
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They're doing it in Cincinnati as part of a 30-day program and I really hope they start implementing it further.
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I understand what you are saying but it's truly hard for alot of people to do that when one of the main reasons this keeps happening is because of generalizations that seem to never end on the other side of things.. |
Agreed completely and I'm not trying to detract from that at all. I'm just saying that I would greatly appreciate it if we weren't wishing death on strangers based on generalizations, especially when these strangers are people I know and completely innocent of the situation.
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Ray Kelly and Bloomberg really ruined relationship between cops and the people. These cops don't make it any damn better. Lord jesus this video and I'm not all the way into it. |
It's about to happen in Ferguson. Their police chief is lying through his teeth to try and save face and it's not working for him at all. 
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not going to read any of this. I've since retracted my stance on all of them deserving to die. but I will not have sympathy for them if they did.
Sorry but if my job required me to do these evil things to these people, I'd quite without any hesitation. They have a choice. And all this "but there are good cops" nonsense doesn't impress me either. they're so good yet they aren't willing to make a change. Instead they'd rather just take it and/or let it slide.
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That is all you needed to say in the first part. I'll drop it here.
Sis, just remember that you don't know what these cops are doing on an individual basis and you just have a slight look in to our affairs. Do you really think that all of the people on the force, including our black officers, are happy that young, innocent, black men are being killed? If so, you should probably try and meet someone and open your eyes to their side of the issue.
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Originally posted by FAME.
The most disheartening part about it is that this officer will probably get off scott free. Even if he does she "punished" it will be something like a timed suspension (with pay) for a few months or whatever ******** "punishments" police get and this will get swept right under the rug like everything else. Especially if it wasn't for all these riots and all the other stuff going on now. Hopefully this will keep awareness up about the incident for longer if nothing else.  |
He's on paid leave atm. The chief of Ferguson police is lying (though I'm hoping he gets fired due to the backlash) for him, but luckily he has no say in the now federal investigation. The FBI's involvement should set this straight because, judging from eye witness accounts and seeing how clearly faulty the chief of police's account is, there is no way to misinterpret the murder that went down.
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Originally posted by Giselle
I feel like what you're failing to grasp is that it's not just ONE officer. It's not just about ONE victim. It's about the many, many police officers who show brutality and abuse their power. The many, many people who are harassed, unjustly frisked, physically harmed, violated and sometimes killed. I don't think all police officers should be killed or anything like that, but you cannot keep downsizing it to "one person". |
In the case that we're talking about (this thread is about the War on Ferguson), it is one man's criminal activity that has everybody riled up. I'm not trying to downplay that this happens elsewhere or the fact that it happens entirely too often, I'm just focusing on the event at hand and saying not to wish death on members of my community just because of this event.
If it comes across that I'm trying to minimize the atrocities done on a regular basis throughout the country than I apologize. I used the words I did because I was trying to speak on this specific incident only.
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This is why black people fear the justice system. Of course there are those situations where arrests are lawful and warranted, but as a black person you never know. As a black person, especially a young black male, he could be walking home and looking "suspicious" and end up dead, in a pool of blood because he was "resisting arrest". What many people don't realize is that many of these victims "resist arrest" because they truly haven't did anything to justify them being arrested. Of course you're always supposed to comply with an officer of the law, but at the expense of your basic human rights being violated? Of course someone is going to "resist" arrest when they genuinely don't know why they're being targeted in the first place. Of course someone is going to "resist arrest" when they're just exercising their rights as a United States citizen.
Eyewitnesses have stated that Mike Brown wasn't even resisting and was surrendering peacefully with his hands in the air. If he's in this position he's at no threat to the officer so it doesn't warrant him being shot 8 times in the back and killed. To make matters worse, after being murdered, he's callously subjected to lying in the middle of the street, uncovered for hours. That's really what humanity has come to?
There's nothing wrong with protesting peacefully. I understand the law having to be forceful when it comes to the looters and aggressive protesters, but it's gone beyond that and it's clear that at this point it's just an abuse of power.
I pray justice is served, and I don't agree with the looting, vandalism, etc, but I do hope something is done because this has been going on for too long. How many innocent black men have to die before there's some type of reform? I would like to, one day, raise a child that I don't have to worry about dying at the hands of a police officer because of the color of his skin. I want to raise a child in a world where he or she has the same basic human rights as a child of any other race or ethnicity. I pay tax dollars like any other US citizen and for that reason I should be treated as their equal. Instead, my voice isn't being heard and I'm not being represented. The oppression, institutionalized and systematic racism has gone on long enough.
I think about my brother and his friend who were walking home from a bar in Valdosta, GA (the same city where the police are trying to conspiring in the Kendrick Johnson case) one night. He was stopped, without reason, and tased 7 times. He was arrested for "resisting arrest" and "obstruction of an officer". He didn't do anything. "Coincidentally", the case was dropped because the officer had a history of similar cases and because he was mentally unstable. My brother could've been Mike Brown, Eric Garner, or Oscar Grant. This **** happens everyday and it's brushed under the rug so it's allowed to continue to happen. Enough is enough.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Agreed completely and I'm not trying to detract from that at all. I'm just saying that I would greatly appreciate it if we weren't wishing death on strangers based on generalizations, especially when these strangers are people I know and completely innocent of the situation.
It's about to happen in Ferguson. Their police chief is lying through his teeth to try and save face and it's not working for him at all.
That is all you needed to say in the first part. I'll drop it here.
Sis, just remember that you don't know what these cops are doing on an individual basis and you just have a slight look in to our affairs. Do you really think that all of the people on the force, including our black officers, are happy that young, innocent, black men are being killed? If so, you should probably try and meet someone and open your eyes to their side of the issue.
He's on paid leave atm. The chief of Ferguson police is lying (though I'm hoping he gets fired due to the backlash) for him, but luckily he has no say in the now federal investigation. The FBI's involvement should set this straight because, judging from eye witness accounts and seeing how clearly faulty the chief of police's account is, there is no way to misinterpret the murder that went down. |
Sadly, he'll probably still get away with it somehow They'll find some loophole or something to argue with. I sincerely hope not but at this point I don't expect ANYTHING in the form of justice from this country anymore. Am hoping that all of the attention and stuff from the mess of all the aftermath put their backs against the wall to the point where they have no choice but to go down hard on him. If only for the double amount of backlash that will come if they don't. ESPECIALLY after all of this.
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Originally posted by KB.
This is why black people fear the justice system. Of course there are those situations where arrests are lawful and warranted, but as a black person you never know. As a black person, especially a young black male, he could be walking home and looking "suspicious" and end up dead, in a pool of blood because he was "resisting arrest". What many people don't realize is that many of these victims "resist arrest" because they truly haven't did anything to justify them being arrested. Of course you're always supposed to comply with an officer of the law, but at the expense of your basic human rights being violated? Of course someone is going to "resist" arrest when they genuinely don't know why they're being targeted in the first place. Of course someone is going to "resist arrest" when they're just exercising their rights as a United States citizen.
Eyewitnesses have stated that Mike Brown wasn't even resisting and was surrendering peacefully with his hands in the air. If he's in this position he's at no threat to the officer so it doesn't warrant him being shot 8 times in the back and killed. To make matters worse, after being murdered, he's callously subjected to lying in the middle of the street, uncovered for hours. That's really what humanity has come to?
There's nothing wrong with protesting peacefully. I understand the law having to be forceful when it comes to the looters and aggressive protesters, but it's gone beyond that and it's clear that at this point it's just an abuse of power.
I pray justice is served, and I don't agree with the looting, vandalism, etc, but I do hope something is done because this has been going on for too long. How many innocent black men have to die before there's some type of reform? I would like to, one day, raise a child that I don't have to worry about dying at the hands of a police officer because of the color of his skin. I want to raise a child in a world where he or she has the same basic human rights as a child of any other race or ethnicity. I pay tax dollars like any other US citizen and for that reason I should be treated as their equal. Instead, my voice isn't being heard and I'm not being represented. The oppression, institutionalized and systematic racism has gone on long enough.
I think about my brother and his friend who were walking home from a bar in Valdosta, GA (the same city where the police are trying to conspiring in the Kendrick Johnson case) one night. He was stopped, without reason, and tased 7 times. He was arrested for "resisting arrest" and "obstruction of an officer". He didn't do anything. "Coincidentally", the case was dropped because the officer had a history of similar cases and because he was mentally unstable. My brother could've been Mike Brown, Eric Garner, or Oscar Grant. This **** happens everyday and it's brushed under the rug so it's allowed to continue to happen. Enough is enough.
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Beautiful post.
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An important thing to remember is that "it happen to white people, too" is not a good justification for these atrocities. We should feel for everyone and not just people of a similar race. Knowing that a 16 year old white kid was wrongly killed will not make people feel better that a 16 year old black kid was wrongly killed, especially when it happens so much more often that these young black people are killed, an important thing to note because the black population is considerably smaller than the white population.
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Originally posted by KB.
This is why black people fear the justice system. Of course there are those situations where arrests are lawful and warranted, but as a black person you never know. As a black person, especially a young black male, he could be walking home and looking "suspicious" and end up dead, in a pool of blood because he was "resisting arrest". What many people don't realize is that many of these victims "resist arrest" because they truly haven't did anything to justify them being arrested. Of course you're always supposed to comply with an officer of the law, but at the expense of your basic human rights being violated? Of course someone is going to "resist" arrest when they genuinely don't know why they're being targeted in the first place. Of course someone is going to "resist arrest" when they're just exercising their rights as a United States citizen.
Eyewitnesses have stated that Mike Brown wasn't even resisting and was surrendering peacefully with his hands in the air. If he's in this position he's at no threat to the officer so it doesn't warrant him being shot 8 times in the back and killed. To make matters worse, after being murdered, he's callously subjected to lying in the middle of the street, uncovered for hours. That's really what humanity has come to?
There's nothing wrong with protesting peacefully. I understand the law having to be forceful when it comes to the looters and aggressive protesters, but it's gone beyond that and it's clear that at this point it's just an abuse of power.
I pray justice is served, and I don't agree with the looting, vandalism, etc, but I do hope something is done because this has been going on for too long. How many innocent black men have to die before there's some type of reform? I would like to, one day, raise a child that I don't have to worry about dying at the hands of a police officer because of the color of his skin. I want to raise a child in a world where he or she has the same basic human rights as a child of any other race or ethnicity. I pay tax dollars like any other US citizen and for that reason I should be treated as their equal. Instead, my voice isn't being heard and I'm not being represented. The oppression, institutionalized and systematic racism has gone on long enough.
I think about my brother and his friend who were walking home from a bar in Valdosta, GA (the same city where the police are trying to conspiring in the Kendrick Johnson case) one night. He was stopped, without reason, and tased 7 times. He was arrested for "resisting arrest" and "obstruction of an officer". He didn't do anything. "Coincidentally", the case was dropped because the officer had a history of similar cases and because he was mentally unstable. My brother could've been Mike Brown, Eric Garner, or Oscar Grant. This **** happens everyday and it's brushed under the rug so it's allowed to continue to happen. Enough is enough.
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I just can't with these messy character-flawed ass police officers...it's very scary
Obviously police officers are people too and can't be perfect but..
As a POLICE OFFICER you are in a position of power and there is no room for you to not be a rational, good person yaknow? I know I sound childish but i'm just saying how I feel
These types of situations are very scary and exactly where there is so much tension between the police and the people in urban areas
I'm honestly scared of police officers.....
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Originally posted by Eternium
In the case that we're talking about (this thread is about the War on Ferguson), it is one man's criminal activity that has everybody riled up. I'm not trying to downplay that this happens elsewhere or the fact that it happens entirely too often, I'm just focusing on the event at hand and saying not to wish death on members of my community just because of this event.
If it comes across that I'm trying to minimize the atrocities done on a regular basis throughout the country than I apologize. I used the words I did because I was trying to speak on this specific incident only.
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I get that you're not trying to downplay what's going on but you're still not really understanding People are so riled up because the abuse of police power is such a continuing theme is a continuing theme. I'd be willing to bet that if police brutality wasn't as common as it is, this situation wouldn't be as big as it is. People are tired of the fact that this keeps happening.
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What did I miss? What is going on?
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My heart goes out to the people of St. Louis. This is disgusting.
America is a police state. In my ****** little hometown, a bunch of police officers got fired when a major cover-up was exposed. An officer was caught on camera making a female take off her clothes and groping her so she could get out of a ticket. He was the cousin of the family in the house across the street from me (they were this perfect little evangelical family, but that's besides the point).
Something needs to be done; police have unlimited power and they know it. 
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Originally posted by FAME.
Sadly, he'll probably still get away with it somehow They'll find some loophole or something to argue with. I sincerely hope not but at this point I don't expect ANYTHING in the form of justice from this country anymore. Am hoping that all of the attention and stuff from the mess of all the aftermath put their backs against the wall to the point where they have no choice but to go down hard on him. If only for the double amount of backlash that will come if they don't. ESPECIALLY after all of this. |
They can try, but they'll have a much harder time in this case. The lawyer from Trayvon Martin's case is representing the family and there's literally 0 public support on the side of the police officer. On top of that, he's being investigated by the FBI and they got involved immediately. I would be worried with their police chief (he's lied 4 times already in public statements), but he is not a part of the investigation at all and handles 0 evidence.
There's also a hacker group called Anonymous threatening to release police documents, SSNs, etc. if they don't get a just ruling. They already released credit card information for a couple of the officers and shut down the City of Ferguson's website.
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Originally posted by KB.
This is why black people fear the justice system. Of course there are those situations where arrests are lawful and warranted, but as a black person you never know. As a black person, especially a young black male, he could be walking home and looking "suspicious" and end up dead, in a pool of blood because he was "resisting arrest". What many people don't realize is that many of these victims "resist arrest" because they truly haven't did anything to justify them being arrested. Of course you're always supposed to comply with an officer of the law, but at the expense of your basic human rights being violated? Of course someone is going to "resist" arrest when they genuinely don't know why they're being targeted in the first place. Of course someone is going to "resist arrest" when they're just exercising their rights as a United States citizen.
Eyewitnesses have stated that Mike Brown wasn't even resisting and was surrendering peacefully with his hands in the air. If he's in this position he's at no threat to the officer so it doesn't warrant him being shot 8 times in the back and killed. To make matters worse, after being murdered, he's callously subjected to lying in the middle of the street, uncovered for hours. That's really what humanity has come to?
There's nothing wrong with protesting peacefully. I understand the law having to be forceful when it comes to the looters and aggressive protesters, but it's gone beyond that and it's clear that at this point it's just an abuse of power.
I pray justice is served, and I don't agree with the looting, vandalism, etc, but I do hope something is done because this has been going on for too long. How many innocent black men have to die before there's some type of reform? I would like to, one day, raise a child that I don't have to worry about dying at the hands of a police officer because of the color of his skin. I want to raise a child in a world where he or she has the same basic human rights as a child of any other race or ethnicity. I pay tax dollars like any other US citizen and for that reason I should be treated as their equal. Instead, my voice isn't being heard and I'm not being represented. The oppression, institutionalized and systematic racism has gone on long enough.
I think about my brother and his friend who were walking home from a bar in Valdosta, GA (the same city where the police are trying to conspiring in the Kendrick Johnson case) one night. He was stopped, without reason, and tased 7 times. He was arrested for "resisting arrest" and "obstruction of an officer". He didn't do anything. "Coincidentally", the case was dropped because the officer had a history of similar cases and because he was mentally unstable. My brother could've been Mike Brown, Eric Garner, or Oscar Grant. This **** happens everyday and it's brushed under the rug so it's allowed to continue to happen. Enough is enough.
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I never thought a post from ATRL would make me cry a little. Amazing post, sis 
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Originally posted by Giselle
I get that you're not trying to downplay what's going on but you're still not really understanding People are so riled up because the abuse of police power is such a continuing theme is a continuing theme. I'd be willing to bet that if police brutality wasn't as common as it is, this situation wouldn't be as big as it is. People are tired of the fact that this keeps happening. |
Sis, we're in 100% agreement here. I support the protesters. I think they're heroes for what they're doing and that it needed to be done decades ago. There's no point of contention here. I think it's just a misunderstanding because I was so riled up over a rather hurtful comment; sorry.
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They won't arrest, physically assault, or shoot a white person without a real reason.
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Oh please.
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The police in this situation are absolutely ridiculous. I can't even fathom what's going on. The fact that they're using tear gas and threats on peaceful protestors and preventing media coverage? This is obviously not legal, it's sickening to see and hear about.
I sincerely hope justice is served. I'm still shocked to see this happening in the U.S. and even more shocked that I only just heard about it today.
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