Originally posted by CODE: RED I don't like how you've bandwagoned on, especially after your respectable Tweets about the song. It's a fun bop that I actually love and have played 50+ times already, but at the same time, this song is completely juvenile and tacky - and the video looks equally so judging the BTS preview - and is steering Nicki's career into a "worse than Starships" direction. Of course "worse than Starships" isn't an issue for me, because that song is everything to me, but I'm disappointed in you basically backtracking the months and months you've harked on about her maturing, just because this song is becoming a hit. Nicki isn't getting her Grammy this year. I'd be very surprised if she's nominated, and I am putting it down to this track alone. Even if this is the 13th track on the album and shoe-horned onto the end of the LP, the "damage" is done. Is this something you should be proud of and celebrating, given everything you've lectured me about the past 2 years?

Willy hasn't bandwagon'd on, sweetie. He simply has seen the damn light that all of y'all should have realized y'all would see if y'all took the time to wait and judge the song in HQ. He made a mistake and he is human just like the rest of us. The way he approached Nicki, like you said, was respectable and with class. I would have done the same, but his opinion changing isn't based on the song's success so far.

This isn't taking her career in a "worse than Starships" direction at all. Where is the REAL backlash for this song? For the video teaser? The song got mostly positive comments from blogs and, lord, one hip-hop enthusiast came for Nicki for not being a good role model for his daughter and he was SCALPED by feminists and people who don't even like Nicki.

Where were those people defending Nicki shaking her ass in the Starships video? Where were the people defending her for getting that white people money? Where are those people now?

Keep living in this delusional world where Nicki got Starships-level backlash for this track and she is truly out of the race for a Grammy. Goodbye sir!

Originally posted by Doc Newella can only mimic one of Nicki's flows

What/who is this mess?!

Originally posted by Aatthew Keep living in this delusional world where Nicki got Starships-level backlash for this track and she is truly out of the race for a Grammy. Goodbye sir!

Originally posted by @TEAMFOXYDONDIVA And just to think this is solo.. No feature.. How sistah girl go number 1 for even a day is if she aint have star power? Yall got her effed up

Originally posted by CODE: RED Starships is Nicki's biggest song. There was no actual backlash beyond a few radio DJs and blogs, and the song sold the album and fixed all the mess Nicki made with Stupid Hoe, Roman Holiday and her meltdowns. I suggest you stop talking about things you don't even remember properly. And I'm not even on about backlash anyway. I'm on about creative direction.

Originally posted by @TEAMFOXYDONDIVA And just to think this is solo.. No feature.. How sistah girl go number 1 for even a day is if she aint have star power? Yall got her effed up

Originally posted by CODE: RED Starships is Nicki's biggest song. There was no actual backlash beyond a few radio DJs and blogs, and the song sold the album and fixed all the mess Nicki made with Stupid Hoe, Roman Holiday and her meltdowns. I suggest you stop talking about things you don't even remember properly. And I'm not even on about backlash anyway. I'm on about creative direction.

Oh no, oh no, oh no.

I remember the Starships fiasco very clearly. I remember the hatred Nicki received for that track and she still gets it to this day for that track. People take Starships and use it to discredit her, to label her a sell out, a poor lyricist, a terrible singer. That song is still haunting her to this day and it always will. Regardless of if people are actively talking about it or not, haters will still bring the track up and every time I hear it I will think of the nonstop mess we lived in for close to two years because of it.

And, yes, it wasn't the sole reason the Roman Reloaded era was a mess, but it amplified the hatred for Nicki to new extremes. It was pop, it was edm-heavy, it was RedOne, it gave haters new reasons to drag Nicki.

And, creatively, Anaconda is still better than Starships. Her lyrics are better, the chorus is more creative, and the production is fine.

Originally posted by Click Clack I can't wait to see this video

Originally posted by SneakerNerd I don't know what planet you're living on but Starships was a key moment in her career that started the backlash of her "abandoning" Hip-Hop. Starships hurt her and helped her equally.

Originally posted by Aatthew And, yes, it wasn't the sole reason the Roman Reloaded era was a mess, but it amplified the hatred for Nicki to new extremes. It was pop, it was edm-heavy, it was RedOne, it gave haters new reasons to drag Nicki. And, creatively, Anaconda is still better than Starships. Her lyrics are better, the chorus is more creative, and the production is fine.

Originally posted by Click Clack Rich Homie Quan said he want Nicki on his album, would yall be here for it? His mixtapes are bops

I wouldn't mind. I'd be lying if I said I didn't bop to his songs cause he has some good songs!

Originally posted by CODE: RED Who are you talking to? Nobody in this thread thinks she has no star power, or that she requires a feature for a hit.

Originally posted by Doc The (failed) attempts to snatch Post #10000 on the previous page.

Originally posted by @TEAMFOXYDONDIVA I think Nicki has a Hit on her hands.. This girl managed to stay top 10 for almost 7 days... He luhhh dis fat asssss ahahahahahaahahahahaa ... yeahhhhh

Originally posted by Willy. To think it's exploding on radio before the adds date I can't wait to get back to NY to hear this on the radio.

Originally posted by CODE: RED Dude the song is tackier than all her other singles. It's actually really saddening this will be a bigger hit than something classier like Pills N Potions. Believe it or not, I was excited by Nicki getting respect for her music. This song is more juvenile than Starships.

Originally posted by CODE: RED I don't like how you've bandwagoned on, especially after your respectable Tweets about the song. It's a fun bop that I actually love and have played 50+ times already, but at the same time, this song is completely juvenile and tacky - and the video looks equally so judging the BTS preview - and is steering Nicki's career into a "worse than Starships" direction. Of course "worse than Starships" isn't an issue for me, because that song is everything to me, but I'm disappointed in you basically backtracking the months and months you've harked on about her maturing, just because this song is becoming a hit. Nicki isn't getting her Grammy this year. I'd be very surprised if she's nominated, and I am putting it down to this track alone. Even if this is the 13th track on the album and shoe-horned onto the end of the LP, the "damage" is done. Is this something you should be proud of and celebrating, given everything you've lectured me about the past 2 years?

Originally posted by CODE: RED I posted in Base thread about image and album - http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.ph...87681#23387681

Originally posted by CODE: RED With fans like you, who needs haters? You can't honestly tell me to my face (so to speak) that Roman Reloaded was EDM heavy, can you? How embarrassing. I can't even process the Anaconda praise.

You simply misread:

I was referring to Starships every time I said "it". How embarrassing for the both of us.

And, boo, I'm not a hater and I actually don't know what you are implying. It is simply my opinion that Starships did just as much harm as it did good.