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News: Israel agrees to UN request for five-hour cease-fire in Gaza
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Wish I could applaud but this won't do anything other than make other parties look worse.
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Also, why is everyone blaming Israel for the length of the ceasefire when the UN was the one who suggested it? All Israel did was accept. Sometimes I feel like you guys have your comments prepared before you even read the OP.
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The Nazis lied to the Jews and told them they were being rounded off simply to go to work camps, not to be murdered. And the Nazis notification was more of a "we're rounding you up, so you better be there or we'll find you and kill you", as opposed to Israel's, which is "we really don't want to kill you, but we have to destroy these terrorist bases that the Hamas has strategically placed in your location, so PLEASE leave"
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I get that, but either way, it's systematic killing of civilians with a "warning" first  doesn't make EITHER one better.
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The thing you don't seem to understand is barely any one on here is pro-Hamas, we're with the civilians that are dying.
Just because we don't condone the Palestinians dying does not make us pro-Hamas, do not assume.
Israel is the bad guy, Hamas is a bad guy .. But who's suffering here?
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I get that, but either way, it's systematic killing of civilians with a "warning" first  doesn't make EITHER one better.
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Well you can't just say "either way" because the warnings are completely different. The Nazis' weren't warning people so that they could leave - the Nazis warned people so they'd show up, because the Nazis WANTED to round up and kill the Jews.
All I'm saying is Israel's goal truly was to deliberately kill all Palestinians (which is what "genocide" means), it wouldn't make sense for them to literally ASK the Palestinians to LEAVE the targeted areas.
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The thing you don't seem to understand is barely any one on here is pro-Hamas, we're with the civilians that are dying.
Just because we don't condone the Palestinians dying does not make us pro-Hamas, do not assume.
Israel is the bad guy, Hamas is a bad guy .. But who's suffering here?
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I'm also with the civilians dying - I think it's ridiculously unfair that innocent civilians have to live under a terrorist organization for a government. And I never once said that people were "pro-Hamas", so please don't assume either.
The difference is where people are putting MORE of the blame on the suffering (because both are at fault to some degree). A lot of people are blaming Israel MORE than Hamas, which is unfair considering Israel is actively trying to prevent civilian casualties, while Hamas is encouraging them by using their citizens as human shields. I don't think Israel is completely innocent in this, but they're caught in a complete lose-lose situation because of Hamas's decision to use human shields.
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And gurl, do me a favour and look up the word "genocide" before you use it. Because warning civilians of an upcoming attack hardly seems like an effective way to accomplish a genocide.
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It's not the meaning (or supposed meaning) what it counts, it's the actual fact. The fact is Israel is killing civilians for decades.
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Oh, so that must be why the European Union and a massive part of the UN recognizes Hamas as a terrorist organization. That makes sense.
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Are you even reading what I'm saying? I already said that Hamas is a terrorist organization, that's not the problem here, stop doing the victim. The problem is Israel killing all those civilians, children, innocent people, only because they throw you a rocket that can't even kill a fly.
And since you're so "informed" about the UN, you should know Israel leads in ignoring Security Council resolutions and that all the world is worried about its actions. The only thing that's allowing Israel doing what they want is US support.
I had to represent Israel in a UN model in my country, I know all your excuses and I'm informed about what I'm talking about. The English language is a limitation to my fluency, so I'm not wasting any more words.
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a 5 hour cease? 
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Originally posted by shelven
I'm also with the civilians dying - I think it's ridiculously unfair that innocent civilians have to live under a terrorist organization for a government. And I never once said that people were "pro-Hamas", so please don't assume either.
The difference is where people are putting MORE of the blame on the suffering (because both are at fault to some degree). A lot of people are blaming Israel MORE than Hamas, which is unfair considering Israel is actively trying to prevent civilian casualties, while Hamas is encouraging them by using their citizens as human shields. I don't think Israel is completely innocent in this, but they're caught in a complete lose-lose situation because of Hamas's decision to use human shields.
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Israel is killing a lot more civilians than Hamas is, and in much more brutal and destructive ways. Of course they are going to get the brunt of the scrutiny and anger directed at them. Israel is capable of defending itself and projecting its power. Hamas is barely able to send rockets 100 ft, much less protect its citizens.
One of these two sides needs to be the better person and force a compromise out of this, and it seems like only Israel has any real power/leverage to do so.
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Originally posted by shelven
I'm also with the civilians dying - I think it's ridiculously unfair that innocent civilians have to live under a terrorist organization for a government. And I never once said that people were "pro-Hamas", so please don't assume either.
The difference is where people are putting MORE of the blame on the suffering (because both are at fault to some degree). A lot of people are blaming Israel MORE than Hamas, which is unfair considering Israel is actively trying to prevent civilian casualties, while Hamas is encouraging them by using their citizens as human shields. I don't think Israel is completely innocent in this, but they're caught in a complete lose-lose situation because of Hamas's decision to use human shields.
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Israel is more to blame because they are the ones who started this mess, they are the aggressors in this situation which is why the majority of people criticize them more than hamas, doesn't mean one has to take sides to see who is really the aggressor in this situation. Israel has also used human shields so for you to sit there and act like it is just hamas who is doing this is incredibly deluded of you, they are really not the humane army you seem to think they are

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All I'm saying is Israel's goal truly was to deliberately kill all Palestinians (which is what "genocide" means),
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Oh, I don't want to kill an entire nation, but I'm gonna throw some bombs in there just in case
Once again. It's not the intentions, but the actual facts what matters.
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Also, why is everyone blaming Israel for the length of the ceasefire when the UN was the one who suggested it? All Israel did was accept. Sometimes I feel like you guys have your comments prepared before you even read the OP.
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OK, so of all resolutions and orders the UN has made about this, Israel has picked to ceasefire for five hours? I would be laughing if people weren't dying, really.
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Source and article are not the same
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