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Discussion: Opinion on State of Israel?
Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by IBeMe
what kind of a blind/repulsive/in humane answer is that?
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The fact that they started the sentence with "whatever"
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by hello_world
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
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I guess. Hamas is considered a terrorist organization here in the EU though. And they're the weakest they've ever been without the support of Egypt and Iran being weak as well. Guess Israel figured this was the perfect time to cripple them.
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Originally posted by YouDaIcon
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
I guess. Hamas is considered a terrorist organization here in the EU though.
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I'm not saying they're actions are always right but I can see why they do it. Their country was taken, and then most of the little land they had left was occupied, and then their treated like animals by the aggressors yet they're considered the bad guys
Parts of the world consider the US Government 'terrorists', does that make them correct?
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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I've been to Israel 2 months ago.
Israel is beautiful but the people are extremely unfriendly.
The entire country is build on hate and mistrust and you can really tell....
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by hello_world
I'm not saying they're actions are always right but I can see why they do it. Their country was taken, and then most of the little land they had left was occupied, and then their treated like animals by the aggressors yet they're considered the bad guys
Parts of the world consider the US Government 'terrorists', does that make them correct?
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Yes actually.
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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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I don't like he way they treat the Arabs there.
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Member Since: 8/17/2012
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If people disagree with Israel having the land, then so be it, but it's ridiculous to say they're "stealing land" because that's just flat out incorrect. Firstly, history has proven that Israel has had Jewish roots for centuries. And by history, I don't mean the Bible - I mean Greek history, Roman history, archaeological discoveries, etc. So it's not like they decided it would be fun to just "steal" land that has always belong to the Palestinians and has never had any Jewish connection.
Secondly, the UN gave Israel the land. If you disagree with the UN's decision, you have the right to do that. But it was a LEGAL, UN decision.
Finally, and most importantly, for all those people who just post the expanding Israel vs. the shrinking Palestine and don't provide any explanation, you can't claim you're unbiased if you don't explain how Israel got its land. Most of the land it got post-1948 was from winning wars. Wars that the various ARAB COUNTRIES started. In fact, after winning the 1967 War, Israel obtained the Sinai Peninsula, an area of land that is bigger than all of modern Israel. Yet they decided to give it BACK to Egypt in exchange for peace. So people who claim that Israel just wants land and not peace, explain why Israel would offer back half of their country just for the promise of peace and nothing else.
As for the argument that the Zionist goal is to make a "purely Jewish state", explain why Arabs not only make up a very significant population of Israel, but also have completely equal right to Jews and even hold seats in the Knesset, Israel's government.
The fact of the matter is that if Hamas agreed lay down its arms, there would be peace. If Israel agreed to lay down its arms, it would be completely eradicated the next day. Like I said, if you feel like the legal UN decision to make Israel a Jewish state was incorrect, you're allowed to think that. But don't pretend that Hamas's goal isn't anything except to get rid of the Jewish people and wipe out Israel.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I don't know what to think
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by IBeMe
what kind of a blind/repulsive/in humane answer is that?
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Oh please. Tell me what was SO repulsive/inhumane in that post.
I said a country has the right to defend itself.
I said casualties, however horrible are a part of war.
Did I lie??
Show me the inhumane part. Did I say killing innocents was just peachy? No. But let's not pretend that civilian casualties aren't a part of war.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by YouDaIcon
Yes actually.
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I actually agree on some levels but I presumed most of y'all didn't so i used that analogy.
I'll just say there's a reason the US didn't sign the anti-Genocide law.
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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I made a religion today, I worship the Spaghetti monster as of now.
He told me that the whole street is promised to me. Let me claim it right now.
Rediculious isn't it? That would never happen in the real world.
Now wait a minute....
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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The British and French carving up the region after the war with little thought for regional sensibilities.
Palestine should be given back.
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Kinda ironic how human rights were violated yet superpowers still support them.
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Israel has the highest standard of living and the only liberal country in the Middle East. There are about 1 million Arabs living in Israel. If it weren't for the Jews, those people would still be riding camels today. And the liberty and freedom enjoyed in Israel are merely sweet dreams for its neighboring Islamic countries.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by shelven
If people disagree with Israel having the land, then so be it, but it's ridiculous to say they're "stealing land" because that's just flat out incorrect. Firstly, history has proven that Israel has had Jewish roots for centuries. And by history, I don't mean the Bible - I mean Greek history, Roman history, archaeological discoveries, etc. So it's not like they decided it would be fun to just "steal" land that has always belong to the Palestinians and has never had any Jewish connection.
Secondly, the UN gave Israel the land. If you disagree with the UN's decision, you have the right to do that. But it was a LEGAL, UN decision.
Finally, and most importantly, for all those people who just post the expanding Israel vs. the shrinking Palestine and don't provide any explanation, you can't claim you're unbiased if you don't explain how Israel got its land. Most of the land it got post-1948 was from winning wars. Wars that the various ARAB COUNTRIES started. In fact, after winning the 1967 War, Israel obtained the Sinai Peninsula, an area of land that is bigger than all of modern Israel. Yet they decided to give it BACK to Egypt in exchange for peace. So people who claim that Israel just wants land and not peace, explain why Israel would offer back half of their country just for the promise of peace and nothing else.
As for the argument that the Zionist goal is to make a "purely Jewish state", explain why Arabs not only make up a very significant population of Israel, but also have completely equal right to Jews and even hold seats in the Knesset, Israel's government.
The fact of the matter is that if Hamas agreed lay down its arms, there would be peace. If Israel agreed to lay down its arms, it would be completely eradicated the next day. Like I said, if you feel like the legal UN decision to make Israel a Jewish state was incorrect, you're allowed to think that. But don't pretend that Hamas's goal isn't anything except to get rid of the Jewish people and wipe out Israel.
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you are not going to be using historic ancient proof as means as to why Israel should have been made/created are you?
that's some thousand of years ago and its HIGHLY debated.
you cannot tell me tat the occupation of the Western Bank is appropriate and not "stealin of the land"
US president Obama himself said that Palestine needs to be given at least autonomy of the 1967 borders which are of the complete Western Bank and of Gaza. did Israel follow suit? of course not. they decided to retaliate and to keep building homes and populating it illegally with Israeli settlers.
also expansionist wars should not have even existed in 1967 and that's exactly what Israel was doing. it wasn't only defending itslf from Arab countries that had declared war on it because of how it mistreated the Palestinian people and started to claim sovereignty on the Golam Heights and southern parts of Lebanon FYI.
itsgiving back of the Sinai Peninsula was a tactical and political move for Egypt was at the time the stronger opponent to Israel and probably the biggest threat (when comparing it to the other Arab nations at war with Israel.)
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by Chrome
Kinda ironic how human rights were violated yet superpowers still support them.
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You know why?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by shelven
If people disagree with Israel having the land, then so be it, but it's ridiculous to say they're "stealing land" because that's just flat out incorrect. Firstly, history has proven that Israel has had Jewish roots for centuries. And by history, I don't mean the Bible - I mean Greek history, Roman history, archaeological discoveries, etc. So it's not like they decided it would be fun to just "steal" land that has always belong to the Palestinians and has never had any Jewish connection.
Secondly, the UN gave Israel the land. If you disagree with the UN's decision, you have the right to do that. But it was a LEGAL, UN decision.
Finally, and most importantly, for all those people who just post the expanding Israel vs. the shrinking Palestine and don't provide any explanation, you can't claim you're unbiased if you don't explain how Israel got its land. Most of the land it got post-1948 was from winning wars. Wars that the various ARAB COUNTRIES started. In fact, after winning the 1967 War, Israel obtained the Sinai Peninsula, an area of land that is bigger than all of modern Israel. Yet they decided to give it BACK to Egypt in exchange for peace. So people who claim that Israel just wants land and not peace, explain why Israel would offer back half of their country just for the promise of peace and nothing else.
As for the argument that the Zionist goal is to make a "purely Jewish state", explain why Arabs not only make up a very significant population of Israel, but also have completely equal right to Jews and even hold seats in the Knesset, Israel's government.
The fact of the matter is that if Hamas agreed lay down its arms, there would be peace. If Israel agreed to lay down its arms, it would be completely eradicated the next day. Like I said, if you feel like the legal UN decision to make Israel a Jewish state was incorrect, you're allowed to think that. But don't pretend that Hamas's goal isn't anything except to get rid of the Jewish people and wipe out Israel.
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I agree that they're trying to wipe out Israel to get their land back but I think getting rid of the Jewish people is a bit far
Just because a place has Jewish roots doesn't mean that it should be theres. Using that logic everyone should be forced out of the USA so that Native Americans can have their land.
There's a reason why the annexation of the West Bank wasn't recognised, it's because it was illegal.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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if israel stops retaliating against the constant shooting of rockets into their country then they will be destroyed, because Hamas is a terrorist organization (some people dont seem to understand this) that is willing to do anything, including sending its own citizens off as suicide bombers, to wipe israel off the map. and DEAD @ media always siding with them. nobody ever talks about all of Israel's humanitarian work in other countries or all its innovation in medical technology and technology in general. Israel is trying to protect its citizens who are constantly running to bomb shelters and underground shelters because they never know when another round of missiles will come flying toward them. the israeli army gives warnings before they raid an area, they call people directly teling them to get out while they can. no other army does this, that i can think of.
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Originally posted by YouDaIcon
illegitimate, racist, violent, and deserves all the slander it recieves.
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They're horrible for what they've done to Palestine. They deserve punishment.
Really horrific.
Wow.
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