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Discussion: Will there ever be another pop star as big as Britney?
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Originally posted by blasianlove
Gaga, Katy, Beyonce, and Miley are all bigger.
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Damn, boy. You must go to the light and see Jesus
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yes Ariana Grande (ft Mariah Carey)
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
Britney's peak was at a different time in pop music history. Being a pop star in 2000 was completely different to being a pop star in 2014.
There was no social media, so they couldn't interact with fans. There were no gossip sites, so what they wore on a day-to-day basis wasn't really a big deal. They'd just appear in weekly tabloids. Also there was less competition. When Gaga came out in 2008, she really made everyone up their game because everyone saw the sky was the limit. And everyone has upped their game. They've seen how big the industry could be and now everyone's going harder than they ever have before. Everyone is raising the bar and there's also so much competition nowadays. When Britney was at her peak, there was always a bit of a "Britney vs. Christina" argument going on, but it wasn't like "Britney vs. Christina vs. Gaga vs. Katy vs. Rihanna vs. Beyonce vs. Ariana vs. Miley vs. Pink vs. Lil Mama."
But Britney kind of owned the world's stage for a while there. And now, because the music industry and the celebrity industry have become so huge and just keep growing, all female pop stars (now and forever) will have to share the stage with a lot of competitors.
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Sis, how young were you in the 2000s?
First of all, Britney had to face off not only against competition, but also with girls who were launched solely to take her spot. Mandy Moore and Jessica Simpson created careers by imitating Britney and every Disney/Nick girl launched after Britney copied her transition (from Miley Cyrus to Selena Gomez to her own sister).
As for competition when she came out, she faced off against Cher's revival with "Believe" (the best-selling single of all-time in the U.K.), Eminem released The Slim Shady LP (this album was bigger than Rihanna's, Katy's, Gaga's and Beyonce's peak albums combined), Hikaru Utada released First Love (Japan's best-selling album of all-time), the Backstreet Boys released Millenium (also bigger than Rih's, Katy's, Gaga's and Bey's peak albums combined by a huge margin), Blink-182 released the iconic Enema of the State (15M WW), J. Lo released her debut album On the 6 (almost 5x platinum in U.S.), Red Hot Chili Peppers released Californication (13M WW and classic), Santana released Supernatural, Limp Bizkit released Significant Other, etc. 1999 was a HUGE year in music and those were only breakout successes. 2014 is incredibly tame when we've had three notable albums in comparison (Frozen, BEYONCE and In the Lonely Hour) and only two huge smash hits (Happy and Dark Horse). There has never been LESS competition than there is in 2014.
Also, something you may want to note: there is less competition today as less people are releasing music. Didn't iTunes just hit a new low for the amount of music they uploaded in a year? Plus, competition raises album sales. Did we learn nothing from Oops!...I Did It Again vs. Christina Aguilera, A Best vs. Distance or Millenium vs. No Strings Attached? Why are you using competition as an excuse for poor sales?
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Originally posted by gagakyle
Other artists are still able to sell decently on their 8th (and beyond) albums
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I wonder if gaga will
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Originally posted by Maki
I wonder if gaga will
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Her fourth album sold on par with Britney's seventh album despite Gaga's album having about 20x the number of promo performances and much bigger promo slots. I'm not worried at all.
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Y'all need to understand that having successful singles is not the same as becoming iconic and being literally everywhere like Britney did in her peak. We never know the future but taking in conisderation the pop acts of this generation, no, there won't be anyone reaching her status.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Sis, how young were you in the 2000s?
First of all, Britney had to face off not only against competition, but also with girls who were launched solely to take her spot. Mandy Moore and Jessica Simpson created careers by imitating Britney and every Disney/Nick girl launched after Britney copied her transition (from Miley Cyrus to Selena Gomez to her own sister).
As for competition when she came out, she faced off against Cher's revival with "Believe" (the best-selling single of all-time in the U.K.), Eminem released The Slim Shady LP (this album was bigger than Rihanna's, Katy's, Gaga's and Beyonce's peak albums combined), Hikaru Utada released First Love (Japan's best-selling album of all-time), the Backstreet Boys released Millenium (also bigger than Rih's, Katy's, Gaga's and Bey's peak albums combined by a huge margin), Blink-182 released the iconic Enema of the State (15M WW), J. Lo released her debut album On the 6 (almost 5x platinum in U.S.), Red Hot Chili Peppers released Californication (13M WW and classic), Santana released Supernatural, Limp Bizkit released Significant Other, etc. 1999 was a HUGE year in music and those were only breakout successes. 2014 is incredibly tame when we've had three notable albums in comparison (Frozen, BEYONCE and In the Lonely Hour) and only two huge smash hits (Happy and Dark Horse). There has never been LESS competition than there is in 2014.
Also, something you may want to note: there is less competition today as less people are releasing music. Didn't iTunes just hit a new low for the amount of music they uploaded in a year? Plus, competition raises album sales. Did we learn nothing from Oops!...I Did It Again vs. Christina Aguilera, A Best vs. Distance or Millenium vs. No Strings Attached? Why are you using competition as an excuse for poor sales?
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The receipts
Educate them all, Lordt
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Originally posted by Eternium
Her fourth album sold on par with Britney's seventh album despite Gaga's album having about 20x the number of promo performances and much bigger promo slots. I'm not worried at all.
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same
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Originally posted by Eternium
Her fourth album sold on par with Britney's seventh album despite Gaga's album having about 20x the number of promo performances and much bigger promo slots. I'm not worried at all.
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500k is on par with 1.8 million? ARTPOP outsold BJ's total sales in its first week but wow, I guess they're definitely on par
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Taylor
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No, pop girls are a dying race
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Gaga was the only one who came close. If Adele had made a debut with 21, I'd say she was the closest.
It's generally hard to compare then and now anyway.
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Katy & Rihanna!!
Rihanna definitely if not katy.
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Originally posted by Alchemist
500k is on par with 1.8 million? ARTPOP outsold BJ's total sales in its first week but wow, I guess they're definitely on par
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Britney's seventh album is Femme Fatale
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Originally posted by Nano
Britney's seventh album is Femme Fatale
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Originally posted by Eternium
Sis, how young were you in the 2000s?
First of all, Britney had to face off not only against competition, but also with girls who were launched solely to take her spot. Mandy Moore and Jessica Simpson created careers by imitating Britney and every Disney/Nick girl launched after Britney copied her transition (from Miley Cyrus to Selena Gomez to her own sister).
As for competition when she came out, she faced off against Cher's revival with "Believe" (the best-selling single of all-time in the U.K.), Eminem released The Slim Shady LP (this album was bigger than Rihanna's, Katy's, Gaga's and Beyonce's peak albums combined), Hikaru Utada released First Love (Japan's best-selling album of all-time), the Backstreet Boys released Millenium (also bigger than Rih's, Katy's, Gaga's and Bey's peak albums combined by a huge margin), Blink-182 released the iconic Enema of the State (15M WW), J. Lo released her debut album On the 6 (almost 5x platinum in U.S.), Red Hot Chili Peppers released Californication (13M WW and classic), Santana released Supernatural, Limp Bizkit released Significant Other, etc. 1999 was a HUGE year in music and those were only breakout successes. 2014 is incredibly tame when we've had three notable albums in comparison (Frozen, BEYONCE and In the Lonely Hour) and only two huge smash hits (Happy and Dark Horse). There has never been LESS competition than there is in 2014.
Also, something you may want to note: there is less competition today as less people are releasing music. Didn't iTunes just hit a new low for the amount of music they uploaded in a year? Plus, competition raises album sales. Did we learn nothing from Oops!...I Did It Again vs. Christina Aguilera, A Best vs. Distance or Millenium vs. No Strings Attached? Why are you using competition as an excuse for poor sales?
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I was born in 1992 so I was 8 in 2000.
And what you just posted literally had nothing to do with my comment. I was talking about female pop stars sharing the limelight for these "new Queen of Pop" and "new Princess of Pop" titles. I have no idea why you started ranting about Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Limp Bizkit, Eminem, The Backstreet Boys, Cher and Blink 182. They have nothing to do with what I was talking about.
When I say there was less competition, I don't mean Britney Spears was the only person in the music industry. It wasn't like in 1998 the newspaper articles were "BREAKING NEWS: TEEN GIRL BRITNEY SPEARS HAS REDISCOVERED 'MUSIC.' THE WORLD REJOICES." When I said there was less competition, I was strictly speaking about young, hot, marketable female pop stars.
I'm on your side. I'm saying part of why Britney Spears was so huge is because she became the first Princess of Pop. She was huge. Her debut was so huge that, as you said, it inspired the blueprint of teen stars like Christina Aguilera and Jessica Simpson. Not to mention it inspired all the current girls today like Miley, Ariana, Rihanna, Katy, Selena, Gaga, etc.
And as for your last point...I mean, that's just ridiculous. You cannot compare sales in the late 90s to sales of 2014 because of one of the biggest inventions in all of human history:
The internet.
The late 90s were the last era where buying CDs was huge. There is not "less competition" in the industry in 2014 because of declining sales. The industry has not shrunk because of declining sales. Sales have declined because teenagers and young people download their music illegally, stream it on apps like Spotify and even just listen to it on Youtube, whether it be Youtube on their computer or Youtube on their smartphone. You don't honestly believe that teenagers of the late 90s liked music more than teenagers of 2014, do you? It's not like "oh, people don't like music anymore, how did that happen?"
And yes. There is more competition. In the late 90s and early 2000s it was like "this is Britney Spears and this is Justin Timberlake and they are who you will love and worship, ok? Cool." Nowadays you can download music from ANY genre. You can discover so much more with the internet. If you have 8tracks or Soundcloud or Spotify or any music app on your phone, all you have to do is enter the genres you like and it will discover so much music for you.
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No, not in terms of out of the gate pop phenomenon.
Gaga was close..but she faded just as she appeared..
Not Rihanna..she built herself up to be where she is today.
Katy--um, no.
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Originally posted by Eternium
And Britney says goodbye to all their underperforming asses.
Just for comparison in the U.S. (which is all of their biggest markets):
Britney Spears:
Nielsen Soundscan Albums Sold - 32.8 million
Other Albums Sold - 3,398,000+ (Sony BMG)
Singles Sold - 40+ million = 4 million TEAs (or albums sold)
Total: 40,198,000 albums sold
Beyonce:
Nielsen Soundscan Albums Sold - 14,812,759
Singles Sold - 43,240,496 = 4.3 million TEAs (or albums sold)
Total: 19,112,759 albums sold
Rihanna:
Nielsen Soundscan Albums Sold - 10.4 million
Singles Sold - 80 million = 8 million TEAs (or albums sold)
Total: 18,400,000 albums sold
Katy:
Nielsen Soundscan Albums Sold: 5.8 million
Singles Sold - 70 million = 7 million TEAs (or albums sold)
Total: 12,800,000 albums sold
Now you tell me how any of these girls are close to Britney when their WW careers are even worse in comparison and none of them have had a tenth of the impact Britney has had. Actually, they've all had their careers heavily impacted BY Britney
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Yall are so quick to bring up album sells from back in the day, knowing we live in the age of internet piracy,yet refuse to include tour receipts. Yes, Britney had a huge peak for that time, but Bey of 03, 08 and now is just as big and Gaga of 09-11.
Katy and Rih aren't in the conversation, especially Katy because she lacks cultural impact and the IT Factor that the other girls have. I don't see how Bey, Rih and Gaga's careers are impacted by Britney. I would say, Jessica Simpson and Mandy Moore and some other irrelevant pop girls.
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Culturally, no.
Musically, yes.
Don't you remember her being EVERYWHERE for years and years? It was a sick perverted obsession Especially annoying as I didn't like her back then.
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