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Discussion: Talking about Iggy to White people?
Member Since: 9/4/2012
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Originally posted by maiko
bish whet. i stan for her and the rest of the movement.
just like you i'm tired of black people jamming Eminem, Tina Marie, Joss Stone, and Adele, and then complaining about my fave not being authentic.
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So are you ready to drop your sarcasm or not? It's not really doing anything for me.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Lmao there is nothing racist/appropriative about Iggy or her music.
With Macklemore it was a different scenario bc his stuff was legitimately BAD and he was getting so much acclaim, sales and props for it. Meanwhile 100s of black male rappers were struggling with MUCH better music
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On the other hand there's nothing objectively terrible about Iggy's music and stuff about her accent is just petty ********.
Let her do her thing.
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
So are you ready to drop your sarcasm or not?
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No bitch I'm the realist.
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
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Originally posted by Doc
You're writing as if you do want to understand, so in that case, I would refer you to point 1) in the article. Moreover, I would especially refer you to this article:
http://www.forcesofgeek.com/2014/06/...funk.html#more
That should at least explain to you why the blaccent does bother some.
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Thank you, because the article made a lot of sense to me. I don't necessarily have the same views as the writer or some of the members in here but at least now I know where they are coming from. I personally don't understand how a "blaccent" is offensive but I'm not black so that's probably why. Well I get HOW it's offensive but I guess I wouldn't find it offensive if I was black
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Member Since: 9/4/2012
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Originally posted by Damien M
Lmao there is nothing racist/appropriative about Iggy or her music.
With Macklemore it was a different scenario bc his stuff was legitimately BAD and he was getting so much acclaim, sales and props for it. Meanwhile 100s of black male rappers were struggling with MUCH better music
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On the other hand there's nothing objectively terrible about Iggy's music and stuff about her accent is just petty ********.
Let her do her thing.
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This is a good point to bring up. Just because Iggy is smashing right now that doesn't mean she's Nicki's replacement. Nicki's success depends on Nicki. Azealia's career is down the toilet due to Azealia. Lil' Debbie, although white, is in the same boat as Azealia: no one wants to work with her, because no one likes her personality. I don't think Iggy is taking away exposure. There are other women that can still push through.
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Originally posted by Doc
Thanks for your thoughtful contribution!
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No problem
If I must contribute though, I don't get why putting on a certain rap voice gets people so riled up. It's literally not that serious and many rappers do it 
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Member Since: 9/4/2012
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Originally posted by maiko
No bitch I'm the realist.
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This just proves my past points.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Damien M
Lmao there is nothing racist/appropriative about Iggy or her music.
With Macklemore it was a different scenario bc his stuff was legitimately BAD and he was getting so much acclaim, sales and props for it. Meanwhile 100s of black male rappers were struggling with MUCH better music
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On the other hand there's nothing objectively terrible about Iggy's music and stuff about her accent is just petty ********.
Let her do her thing.
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The article did not call her racist. As for appropriation, if a white southern girl raised by a one hit wonder country star rising to infamy by twerking and becoming the face of twerking is appropriation, then I don't see how a white Australian woman adopting a blaccent to rap and being called the face of rap isn't. I mean, there are articles by prominent publications like "Hip Hop is run by a white blond woman" and "Hip Hop is getting white hot".
As for the blaccent, read this article and then tell me that you think having an issue with blaccents is "petty ********."
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
This is a good point to bring up. Just because Iggy is smashing right now that doesn't mean she's Nicki's replacement. Nicki's success depends on Nicki. Azealia's career is down the toilet due to Azealia. Lil' Debbie, although white, is in the same boat as Azealia: no one wants to work with her, because no one likes her personality. I don't think Iggy is taking away exposure. There are other women that can still push through.
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Yeah Nicki's lack of success is bc she messed up big time w/PF:RR and underwhelmed with Pills n Potions.
Fancy, Change Your Life and Work are >> than a crapload of Nicki songs (and this is coming from someone who loves the latter) so why shouldn't she smash?
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Member Since: 2/17/2012
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Originally posted by Doc
You're writing as if you do want to understand, so in that case, I would refer you to point 1) in the article. Moreover, I would especially refer you to this article:
http://www.forcesofgeek.com/2014/06/...funk.html#more
That should at least explain to you why the blaccent does bother some.
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This article could have gone in on so many white artists but it was so merciful 
It's a good read though, thanks.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Mezter
No problem
If I must contribute though, I don't get why putting on a certain rap voice gets people so riled up. It's literally not that serious and many rappers do it 
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Nope. Nicki doesn't do it (expect when she puts on different accents for her characters, key words being "puts on" and "character"), Jay-Z doesn't do it, Kanye doesn't do it, Soulja Boy doesn't do it, Eminem doesn't do it (except when playing Slim Shady, refer to Nicki), hell Macklemore doesn't even do it, as the article noted.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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So I've been quietly following this thread for 20 pages but the following posts just...
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Originally posted by GotSkill
What I meant by that is that the artists and critics themselves couldn't care less about race but that in our capitalistic economy (which, in the case of the music industry, is funded by in large part by white girls) these artists do tend to be more successful, which has nothing to do with privilege or race in the way some people have described it
And I don't think that argument is too far from what you're trying to say
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You literally just contradicted everything you've said previously in the the thread with this comment. So the music industry is run and funded by a majority of white people, thus white artists tend to be more successful and sell more records because white people are more open to buying and listening to music made by other white people. And yet this has NOTHING to do with race or white privilege? Sis, did you read your post before you hit submit?
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
well its a bit of a catch 22.
labels are afraid to push black artists cause most of the successful artists are white so obviously the GP isn't here for black artists so to make sure they make their money the push white ones in favor which the GP buys which makes more success.. its a cycle of stupidity. i honestly believe the GP doesnt give a damn
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If the GP really didn't give a damn about whether an artist was black or white or asian or latino or what have you, then labels wouldn't be "afraid" to push artists of color. One of the reasons most successful artists are white is because labels know that the GP prefers to buy a product that is created by/marketed to people like them: white.
Adding to the fact that the entertainment industry (and America in general, but that's a discussion for another thread) is run by white people. You're right that it's a cycle, but more in the vain of "which came first: chicken or the egg" type of cycle. White label execs push music by people like them that they can relate to, to the white section of the GP, whom they can also relate to. The majority of GP is white and can relate more to other whites' experiences, thus they buy the white products that are marketed to them, even at the cost of diminishing the culture of other races that paved the way in these genres like hip hop, r&b, rock, jazz, etc.
Either way, the problem exists, and nothing is really being done to fix it. If anything, it's gotten worse in the past decade or two. Appropriation is a real problem that is only making the situation worse.
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Originally posted by Rigalo
Thank you, because the article made a lot of sense to me. I don't necessarily have the same views as the writer or some of the members in here but at least now I know where they are coming from. I personally don't understand how a "blaccent" is offensive but I'm not black so that's probably why. Well I get HOW it's offensive but I guess I wouldn't find it offensive if I was black
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I'm glad you now have a better understanding of what the blacks in here are talking about. However, seeing as you're not black and haven't experienced the kind of prejudice and racism (institutionalized or otherwise) that they experience on a daily basis, I'm not sure you're in a good position to make such a bold claim, sis.
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Originally posted by HERMES
I'm waiting for someone to make an argument without getting to the point where they dismiss black culture, appropriation and the inequality minorities face within the music industry. It's like a vortex. All these people going to bat for Iggy put on their blinders when those issues are brought into the conversation.
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This, so much. I just can't. The replies in this thread are solid proof that threads and articles like this DO still need to exist. Racism is not over people. It may be much harder to pinpoint, but it is alive and well. Slavery, lynching and the "n word" are not the only ways someone can be racist. It manifests itself in many different ways in today's culture.
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I haven't read this whole thread, but I think black people should be the judge if somebody goes "too far" with appropriation or not. I mean if you're not part of the culture that has the ability to be offended by a situation, why speak like you have enough experience to be a proper judge?
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Threads like this have the opposite effect on me. I now want her to go full racist and bring watermelon and fried chicken on stage, just so the oversensitives have heart attacks.
I think its equally "disgusting" how black people appropriate other cultures (i.e. not disgusting at all).
I always think "you're black Rihanna. Stick with urban songs that appeal to minorities, don't aspire to be more global".
This thread is full of hypocrisy.
If it was a black girl singing/rapping in an Australian accent, nobody would care.
Nicki raps in a fake British accent sometimes. Nobody gives two craps about that appropriation.
And complete side note, Nicki is actually bigoted and racist. Why don't we focus our attention on fixing the actual issues in hip-hop instead of making up new ones?
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Doc
The article did not call her racist. As for appropriation, if a white southern girl raised by a one hit wonder country star rising to infamy by twerking and becoming the face of twerking is appropriation, then I don't see how a white Australian woman adopting a blaccent to rap and being called the face of rap isn't. I mean, there are articles by prominent publications like "Hip Hop is run by a white blond woman" and "Hip Hop is getting white hot".
As for the blaccent, read this article and then tell me that you think having an issue with blaccents is "petty ********."
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Lol reducing the ENTIRE black racial struggle to an australian girl doing a 'southern blaccent' on a pop song ft charli xcx IS petty and hilarious.
Black culture is MUCH bigger and much more complex than that.
No amount of armchair activism can change that from the non-issue it is.
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"white culture" comment
Ok, I don't think that Iggy will make strong impact on hip-hop. As I've already said, many white rappers in here but they disappear (as Vanilla Ice) or go underground (as Mac Miller). Eminem & Beastie Boys are the only who have gone through many years. I think it's because they doing their own thing. I mean, Beasties music was inspired by rock and Eminem uses rock samples and he also had that "shock" thing in the beginning of his career (feuds with his wife & mother, beefs with pop-stars and even threats to George Bush). Don't forget, many of Em songs are really inspiring and his messages are understood by many groups of people. Iggy has only Fancy so far.
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As a Miley fan all I've gotten for the past year is how Miley is appropriating black culture and I think it's a load of crap, where in this elusive book on laws of music does it say only black people can rap or sing rnb and hip hop, and y'all keep saying they only have hits cos they're white well I find that racist in it's own self and its false because well e.g. Brook Candy anyone? She's white wheres her trail of hits. Y'all need to just shut up and enjoy listening to good music weather it be a black person or white person.
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Originally posted by Damien M
Lol reducing the ENTIRE black racial struggle to an australian girl doing a 'southern blaccent' on a pop song ft charli xcx IS petty and hilarious.
Black culture is MUCH bigger and much more complex than that.
No amount of armchair activism can change that from the non-issue it is.
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Mess if you think the point of the article I linked, the one in the OP, or this thread is about reducing black culture to Iggy or making Iggy out to be the biggest problem black culture faces. You're smarter than that.
I mean, I'm sure the Beach Boys stealing songs from Chuck Berry wasn't the biggest problem black culture had at the time, but sixty years later and a black man can't make rock music without sticking out like a sore thumb. Is that not something worth discussing?
One can talk about the social implications and ideas surrounding Iggys act and rise and comment on race in the music business without acting as if that is our biggest problem. This thread is not about the biggest problem, it is simply a music and culture discussion. So bye Felicia with that mess.
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Originally posted by Doc
Mess if you think the point of the article I linked, the one in the OP, or this thread is about reducing black culture to Iggy or making Iggy out to be the biggest problem black culture faces. You're smarter than that.
I mean, I'm sure the Beach Boys stealing songs from Chuck Berry wasn't the biggest problem black culture had at the time, but sixty years later and a black man can't make rock music without sticking out like a sore thumb. Is that not something worth discussing?
One can talk about the social implications and ideas surrounding Iggys act and rise and comment on race in the music business without acting as if that is our biggest problem. This thread is not about the biggest problem, it is simply a music and culture discussion. So bye Felicia with that mess.
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Bottom line is that Iggy being a white female rapper has NO implications on anything.
Female rap was already dead before her, and it continues being so post- (excluding Nicki Minaj who became a Euro-Dance artist in her 2nd era anyway).
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