Discussion: Talking about Iggy to White people? - Page 13

YR.

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Originally posted by Quietly Trek

Cool. People certainly have a right to ask her about her past tweets/opinions/view/etc., but the past is the past if her present doesn't reflect it, and it doesn't. There's no need to hold a grudge against her like people, including yourself, are doing.

So if Hitler in the end said he was wrong, it would make his actions ok? Your point doesn't make any sense

KareBear

Latch is killing me in this thread, especially w/ those Oprah gifs

Doc

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Originally posted by jomarr

This is so stupid.

Is it? Did you actually read the article and other thoughtful posts made in here before you came to this conclusion?

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Originally posted by Doc

This is the full section from the article: And if you want more, here's a whole article about it:

http://www.forcesofgeek.com/2014/06/...funk.html#more

Personally, I don't have a problem with the way Iggy raps, but I do definitely think the points people make against it are very much valid.

I'm just now getting around to reading that article, and WOO. He kinda scalped a bit.

Jackson

Sorry but this article's a load of ****. Iggy can do whatever the hell she wants, it should have absolutely. I thing to do with what color her skin is

Quietly Trek

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Originally posted by Latch

BUT.

IS. SHE.

NOT.

WHITE.

¿

Where's the white privilege that catches the white people who have no higher education that have to resort to working minimum wage jobs? Where's the white privilege that catches the homeless white people on the streets now? Lol at you acting as if white privilege saves every white person. The irony of you trying to call Iggy out on ignorant tweets while being somewhat ignorant yourself is lost on you it seems.

HERMES

Defending Iggy always brings people down to excuses for her behavior, her privilege and her persona. And this thread is shining a light on that and they scream then run. I love it.

Quietly Trek

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Originally posted by HERMES

That video was a year ago.

So at one point she's 16: "She'll grow up."

20: "She's changed."

a year back, at 23 you're still using the: "Time changes people who are open to learning about differences."

THE WORST.

Ignorance isn't racism, and she wasn't racist in that video at all.

Giliap

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Originally posted by Kkamjong

I hate the mentality that "You wouldn't be popular if you weren't pretty and white," however when a Black person makes it in a market different from urban "Good for you! You fought the power and rose against the bias against your race!"

If Iggy is appropriating a culture just for rapping in an "black" accent to be appealing to Americans, then what about Nicki? Her voice when rapping and her voice when singing do not sound the same, yet no one ever accuses her of appropriating white culture to be appealing to mainstream masses.

Compare her "rapping" in Starships to her rapping in Lookin Ass ***** and tell me she isn't purposely making it sound different to be more appealing

I literally just do not get why the urban community are willing to see the faults in everyone but black people. Point fingers at Iggy, but Nicki is a legitimate artist who doesn't appropriate either? Ok

ugh

sometimes I wonder if we'll ever progress. it seems like our past generations were full of hateful racists and now their children are a bunch of uneducated racists.

YR.

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Originally posted by Quietly Trek

Where's the white privilege that catches the white people who have no higher education that have to resort to working minimum wage jobs? Where's the white privilege that catches the homeless white people on the streets now? Lol at you acting as if white privilege saves every white person. The irony of you trying to call Iggy out on ignorant tweets while being somewhat ignorant yourself is lost on you it seems.

If you THINK that White Privilege doesn't exist your point is invalid. And yes it exists for most white people. Don't try to fool us because you KNOW the truth

Jackson

And the people that assume that just because she's white she would obviously be successful no matter what? The blatant ignorance

Mani.

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Originally posted by Quietly Trek

Cool. People certainly have a right to ask her about her past tweets/opinions/view/etc., but the past is the past if her present doesn't reflect it, and it doesn't. There's no need to hold a grudge against her like people, including yourself, are doing.

Right. So as soon as someone calls Iggy privileged, you guys can bring up her past of being a 16 year old girl that had to struggle, yada, yada

But as soon as someone brings up those derogatory tasteless tweets from 4 years back, bringing up her past is now irrelevant? Lol.

Mani.

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Originally posted by Latch

Oop

BOOP!

SHOOP

BA-DOOP

I screamed

TheBronxGirl

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Originally posted by Roman Holiday

Lol all the white people getting butthurt. They steal everything, now yall want to steal oppression.

Mess.

YR.

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Originally posted by Giliap

ugh

sometimes I wonder if we'll ever progress. it seems like our past generations were full of hateful racists and now their children are a bunch of uneducated racists.

This world is so ****ed up. And these are the same people that ask for Homophobia to stop.

This world will never change and it's because of the people

Quietly Trek

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Originally posted by KareBear

You don't have to hold a grudge but I can choose to judge an artists character or whether I want to support them based on how they present themselves as a person which in her case was making racist remarks. I don't think she's made any more dumb remarks since and hopefully learned from her mistakes but I do like some of her music and I do support her. I'm just saying it seems like you're making excuses for a then 20 year old who should have known better.

And being white does give Iggy a large white audience(big sales), so yes a bit of white privilege

That's my point. She seems to have changed. Why should she have known better? Because she's 20? Is that somehow a universally agreed upon age for having all your opinions and morals figured out?

If she failed, where was she going to go? If Fancy has never taken off like the singles before it? Was she somehow going to transition into another successful career? I'm not denying white privilege, but she doesn't necessarily have anything other than her love for music and a big dream. She even sings about that.

Latch

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Originally posted by Quietly Trek

Where's the white privilege that catches the white people who have no higher education that have to resort to working minimum wage jobs? Where's the white privilege that catches the homeless white people on the streets now? Lol at you acting as if white privilege saves every white person. The irony of you trying to call Iggy out on ignorant tweets while being somewhat ignorant yourself is lost on you it seems.

d

Do you not fully understand what White privilege is?

It doesn't mean that every White person can drop out of high school and become a billionaire,
but every White person benefits from White privilege one way or another

That's why it's called White privilege
because White people benefit from it

But, pls drag me
am v ignorant and need to be put in ma placE!

accelgors

nope, this one just doesn't work for me. it bothers me when people nitpick everything people do because it may be inspired by another culture's activities, and i'll never understand why people even care, honestly. people take inspiration from things all the time. i really don't see the problem with seeing a black rapper and saying "i want to do that" and trying to emulate them. i guess i can see being bothered if she's really not rapping at all about her own experiences, but that still doesn't really strike me as a serious problem and definitely not a political one.

rap has been part of the mainstream culture for a long time now. it doesn't belong to any one culture anymore. people have rapped about way more things than their experiences as black people. and by the way, it's also ridiculous to act like rap is a sacred art form or something when most popular (and not just popular among white people, among black audiences too) rap songs aren't about trials and experiences and haven't been for a very long time.

i just don't understand the anger over appropriation. it's always seemed totally harmless to me, and there are much more important things to worry about when it comes to race issues, so i just find it really hard to care. and by the way, i want to just say that almost all of the hate i've seen being directed at macklemore is stupid. i'm kinda hesitant to defend iggy here even though i don't agree with the article because i can see an argument against her but i'm on macklemore's side for sure

Latch

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Originally posted by YR.

This world is so ****ed up. And these are the same people that ask for Homophobia to stop

because people are desensitized to issues that they don't have to deal with

Quietly Trek

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Originally posted by YR.

So if Hitler in the end said he was wrong, it would make his actions ok? Your point doesn't make any sense

Omg are you serious? Comparing genocide lead by the hands of a sociopath to a girl who was ignorant in her early 20s? Are you serious?

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Originally posted by YR.

If you THINK that White Privilege doesn't exist your point is invalid. And yes it exists for most white people. Don't try to fool us because you KNOW the truth

I don't believe I ever said anything like that.

TheBronxGirl

I'm dying at the oprah gifs