The ICON Jennifer Lopez already spilled it that for new artists like Gaga commercial success is the most important thing and that once you become a legend #1 singles and platinum albums don't matter as much. Madonna didn't have a flop album until 21 years into her career whereas ARTPOP was a massive failure around the world and has destroyed her brand. Just look at Artrave's boxscores compared to her last tour

Personally I never said that about Madonna, she is at the end of the day the first lady of pop and she has a legacy no one could surpass it

No.

Ray of Light, 15 years into Madonna's career sold 20,000,000 copies. If Gaga is lucky ArtPop may sell 3 million copies. Ray of Light also spawned many #1 singles across the world, including in the United States. ArtPop didn't.

The thread really shouldn't have gone past the first page, which had these sensible and correct posts.


Madonna had 10 or so years of sustained, unmatched success. When Germanotta has done that you might have a ghost of an argument. But with BTW and Artpop, it looks like reaching that benchmark has been dashed.


Artpop has only shipped 2.2 million. We know its really only sold 1.7 million with an unrelenting promotional assault on the public.

MDNA which was regarded as a flop sold 1.8 miliion with no promo. (The superbowl was a month before the album release.)

the expose

The epic backfire

Also, from personal experience. They still play Nothing Really Matters remix at the dance clubs in Houston, they also however don't play Born This Way unless it's the Express Yourself / Liquid Love remix.

Madonna 22 years into her career:
Hung Up One of the highest selling digital singles ever, with 9 million copies
Australian Singles Chart[49] 1
Austrian Singles Chart[62] 1
Belgian Singles Chart (Flanders)[62] 1
Belgian Singles Chart (Wallonia)[62] 1
Canadian Singles Chart[46] 1
Czech Airplay Chart[93] 1
Danish Singles Chart[62] 1
Dutch Singles Chart[62] 1
Eurochart Hot 100 Singles[54] 1
Finnish Singles Chart[62] 1
French Singles Chart[51] 1
German Singles Chart[94] 1
Hungarian Singles Chart[95] 1
Italian Singles Chart[62] 1
Irish Singles Chart[61] 2
New Zealand Singles Chart[53] 2
Norwegian Singles Chart[62] 1
Romanian Top 100[96] 1
Spanish Singles Chart[62] 1
Swedish Singles Chart[62] 1
Swiss Singles Chart[62] 1
UK Singles Chart[58] 1
US Billboard Hot 100[37] 7
US Billboard Hot Dance/Club Play[46] 1
US Billboard Mainstream Top 40[46] 17
US Billboard Pop 100[46] 7

Lady Gaga highly anticipated latest lead single Applause:
Australia (ARIA)[80] 11
Australia Dance (ARIA)[81] 2
Austria (Ö3 Austria Top 40)[82] 6
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Flanders)[83] 10
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Wallonia)[84] 5
Bulgaria (IFPI)[85] 3
Brazil (Billboard Brasil Hot 100)[86] 53
Brazil Hot Pop Songs[86] 16
Canada (Canadian Hot 100)[87] 4
Czech Republic (IFPI)[88] 12
Denmark (Tracklisten)[89] 6
Ecuador (Ecuador Top 40)[90] 8
Finland (Suomen virallinen lista)[91] 10
France (SNEP)[92] 3
Germany (Media Control AG)[93] 5
Greece Digital Songs (Billboard)[94] 1
Hungary (Rádiós Top 40)[95] 2
Hungary (Single Top 20)[96] 1
Ireland (IRMA)[97] 9
Israel (Media Forest)[98] 7
Italy (FIMI)[99] 2
Japan (Japan Hot 100)[100] 6
Japan (Oricon)[101] 18
Luxembourg Digital Songs (Billboard)[102] 3
Lebanon (Lebanese Top 20)[103] 1
Mexican Anglo Chart (Monitor Latino)[104] 5
Netherlands (Dutch Top 40)[105] 13
Netherlands (Single Top 100)[106] 15
New Zealand (Recorded Music NZ)[107] 7
Norway (VG-lista)[108] 8
Poland (Polish Airplay Top 20)[109] 7
Portugal Digital Songs (Billboard)[110] 8
Scotland (Official Charts Company)[111] 5
Slovakia (IFPI)[112] 18
South Korea International Singles (GAON)[113] 1
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[114] 1
Sweden (Sverigetopplistan)[115] 17
Switzerland (Schweizer Hitparade)[116] 7
UK Singles (Official Charts Company)[117] 5
US Billboard Hot 100[118] 4
US Adult Contemporary (Billboard)[119] 24
US Adult Top 40 (Billboard)[120] 8
US Dance/Electronic Songs (Billboard)[121] 1
US Hot Dance Club Songs (Billboard)[122] 1
US Mainstream Top 40 (Billboard)[123] 4
US Rhythmic (Billboard)[124] 19
Venezuela Pop Rock (Record Report)[125] 3

EPs can hold up to 9 tracks I believe. The Fame Monster is an EP whichever way you want to look at it.

Sorry: (Didn't it spend some weeks at No.1 on Mediattrafic without the US' support?)
Australian Singles Chart[33] 4
Austrian Singles Chart[37] 8
Belgian Singles Chart (Flanders)[37] 8
Belgian Singles Chart (Wallonia)[37] 4
Canadian Singles Chart[34] 2
Czech Airplay Chart[63] 2
Danish Singles Chart[37] 3
Dutch Top 40[37] 2
Eurochart Hot 100 Singles[39] 1
Finnish Singles Chart[37] 3
French Singles Chart[37] 5
German Singles Chart[38] 5
Hungarian Singles Chart[64] 1
Irish Singles Chart[36] 5
Italian Singles Chart[37] 1
New Zealand Singles Chart[37] 12
Norwegian Singles Chart[37] 2
Slovak Airplay Chart[65] 66
Spanish Singles Chart[37] 1
Swedish Singles Chart[37] 7
Swiss Singles Chart[37] 4
UK Singles Chart[30] 1
U.S. Billboard Hot 100[26] 58
U.S. Hot Dance Club Play[26] 1
U.S. Pop 100[26] 47

Applause (LEAD SINGLE)
Australia (ARIA)[80] 11
Australia Dance (ARIA)[81] 2
Austria (Ö3 Austria Top 40)[82] 6
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Flanders)[83] 10
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Wallonia)[84] 5
Bulgaria (IFPI)[85] 3
Brazil (Billboard Brasil Hot 100)[86] 53
Brazil Hot Pop Songs[86] 16
Canada (Canadian Hot 100)[87] 4
Czech Republic (IFPI)[88] 12
Denmark (Tracklisten)[89] 6
Ecuador (Ecuador Top 40)[90] 8
Finland (Suomen virallinen lista)[91] 10
France (SNEP)[92] 3
Germany (Media Control AG)[93] 5
Greece Digital Songs (Billboard)[94] 1
Hungary (Rádiós Top 40)[95] 2
Hungary (Single Top 20)[96] 1
Ireland (IRMA)[97] 9
Israel (Media Forest)[98] 7
Italy (FIMI)[99] 2
Japan (Japan Hot 100)[100] 6
Japan (Oricon)[101] 18
Luxembourg Digital Songs (Billboard)[102] 3
Lebanon (Lebanese Top 20)[103] 1
Mexican Anglo Chart (Monitor Latino)[104] 5
Netherlands (Dutch Top 40)[105] 13
Netherlands (Single Top 100)[106] 15
New Zealand (Recorded Music NZ)[107] 7
Norway (VG-lista)[108] 8
Poland (Polish Airplay Top 20)[109] 7
Portugal Digital Songs (Billboard)[110] 8
Scotland (Official Charts Company)[111] 5
Slovakia (IFPI)[112] 18
South Korea International Singles (GAON)[113] 1
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[114] 1
Sweden (Sverigetopplistan)[115] 17
Switzerland (Schweizer Hitparade)[116] 7
UK Singles (Official Charts Company)[117] 5
US Billboard Hot 100[118] 4
US Adult Contemporary (Billboard)[119] 24
US Adult Top 40 (Billboard)[120] 8
US Dance/Electronic Songs (Billboard)[121] 1
US Hot Dance Club Songs (Billboard)[122] 1
US Mainstream Top 40 (Billboard)[123] 4
US Rhythmic (Billboard)[124] 19
Venezuela Pop Rock (Record Report)[125] 3

Why are they similar?
Did Madonna ever promote it?

Keep on educating sis

Applause slaying without an ABBA sample.

It doesn't make a difference. It's an EP by definition.

It's classified as an EP...so it's a EP....it's an extension of the Fame... it doesnt count as an ablum.

You can have 6 songs to make a studio album. It's clear from Gaga that TFM was an extension to the Fame....hench the combination with the Fame in one package.

Madonna didnt do that.

Alternate reality?

Sorry being a flop

I CAN'T

Are we supposed to, like, give Hung Up less credit for being a hit cause it sampled ABBA?!

Just because they weren't hits in America doesn't mean they weren't hits virtually everwhere else overseas.

Have a seat.