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Poll: Is 21 an overrated album?
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View Poll Results: Is 21 an overrated album?
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Yes, 21 is overrated. The album is not as good as it was hyped to be.
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No, 21 is not overrated. It deserves everything it has gotten.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Javan
And I have taken this on board Bjork fan (  ). All pop music will follow a verse/chorus formula with satisfied and complete sounding chord progressions. But at the end of the day, Adele's music is so safe and she passed it off as "raw" and people fell for it.
At least add some imperfect cadances/blues notes/melismas, use a different textured piano or something somewhere. Most of her songs follow the same safe formula.
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The formula was safe. The rawness was the way she was able to communicate the way she felf about her breakup through her lyrics and vocals. I'm not saying that makes the album the best album in the world but she did a good job at communicating. It went down well because it's easy to relate to but that does not make it bad music.
Well her vocals weren't polished in editing if that counts. Why do any of those things need to be added? Because you like them?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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It's not overrated at all. It's a great adult contemporary album. The story that she tells on that album is amazing. The writing is topnotch. The production is bare and raw, it's beautiful. The sales and Grammys basically tell you how great an album it is.
You can't just make 30 million people buy it for nothing. Many people connected with it.
Someone like you and Rolling in the deep are also timeless.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by chilluminati
Calling anyone who doesn't see the hype in 21 'pressed' is laughable.
No, because I consider it to be pretty average so if it had 'flopped' I wouldn't have batted an eyelash. The main point is, I don't see it as anything special. But then again, there are plenty more outcomes than just smashing and flopping. Not just one or the other.
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Congratulations. You're entitled to feel however you want about it. But it's still your opinion, just like it's people's opinions who loved it.
No one can be right or wrong because all taste in music is subjective.
And let's also not act like most of the hate for the album (at least on here and other pop music forums) comes from the fact that it wasn't their favs selling that many albums, winning all those awards, getting all that praise from the public, etc.
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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It's good quality and phenomenal sales. Personally the album is amazing to me. I like all of her songs though so I might be a bit biased.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Mikeymoonshine
Every argument you post is sillier than the last one.
What an album gets on Metacritic is irrelevant.
Yes BEYONCE is experimental for Beyonce but no it's not the most experimental album out there, it's still pretty generic. Other people have done what Beyonce did and they have done it better, Jenelle Monae for example had allot of the same themes on her latest album. That doesn't make Beyonce's album a bad album.
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I didn't say Beyonce was the most experimental album. If you're genre is pop, obviously there is a limit to where it does not become pop with experimentation. Songs on Beyoncé all had generic elements, some songs like Blue being completely generic but for the most part I can tell you something unique and fresh for every single track. I can not do that for Adele. Because all her songs sound like an unevolved pop ballad blueprint.
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Originally posted by Javan
And I have taken this on board Bjork fan ( ). All pop music will follow a verse/chorus formula with satisfied and complete sounding chord progressions. But at the end of the day, Adele's music is so safe and she passed it off as "raw" and people fell for it.
At least add some imperfect cadances/blues notes/melismas, use a different textured piano or something somewhere. Most of her songs follow the same safe formula.
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Then again, why should music be complicated? Some of the best albums in history were founded on real musicality and not on studio smoke and mirrors. 21 was a great adult contemporary album. It was not trying/pretending to be something else.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
Your fellow stan seems to feel differently. |
Someone who also doesn't think Adele's album was over rated or all that generic or whatever has a different opinion to me on whether or not metacritic is relevant?
Wow! My whole argument destroyed, what an excellent rebuttal! 
Anyway, in all serious what do you mean by "your fellow stan" Adele isn't one of my faves. I like her well enough but. 
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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The most overrated album of the millenium.Along with Blackout.
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Originally posted by Mike91
Congratulations. You're entitled to feel however you want about it. But it's still your opinion, just like it's people's opinions who loved it.
No one can be right or wrong because all taste in music is subjective.
And let's also not act like most of the hate for the album (at least on here and other pop music forums) comes from the fact that it wasn't their favs selling that many albums, winning all those awards, getting all that praise from the public, etc.
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You don't know everyone's faves on here and what they have accomplished. Which is why I said you're just making a bunch of assumptions.
And you said yourself, it sold 30 million so don't mistake any opposing opinion for 'hate'. That's not how it goes!
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Originally posted by Benghazi82
Then again, why should music be complicated? Some of the best albums in history were founded on real musicality and not on studio smoke and mirrors. 21 was a great adult contemporary album. It was not trying/pretending to be something else.
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Okay, then that's what it is. A good adult contemporary album. Generic, but heartfelt. So why do some of you find it so hard to believe that other people might find it overrated?
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Originally posted by Mikeymoonshine
The formula was safe. The rawness was the way she was able to communicate the way she felf about her breakup through her lyrics and vocals. I'm not saying that makes the album the best album in the world but she did a good job at communicating. It went down well because it's easy to relate to but that does not make it bad music.
Well her vocals weren't polished in editing if that counts. Why do any of those things need to be added? Because you like them?
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I didn't say the album is bad, I said it was severely generic.
Well then, if you are claiming vocals were the focus of her album, her vocals were still generic. She could have communicated her story in a way that was interesting with the use of dynamics, appoggiaturas, tempo rubato(as Whitney would). Luckily she has a beautiful timbre so it distracts from what is really monotone and again safe.
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People voting yes are pressed.
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Originally posted by Benghazi82
Then again, why should music be complicated? Some of the best albums in history were founded on real musicality and not on studio smoke and mirrors. 21 was a great adult contemporary album. It was not trying/pretending to be something else.
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This is the funniest thing about everyone in here bitching. Most of it's praise came from the fact that it was stripped down and simplistic. 
Like I said in the base, 21 happened. It's sold 28 million, the public has formed it's opinion of it, and the Grammys were over 2 years ago now. Get over it. You can't change what already happened.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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i don't think it's possible to live up to the absolutely massive amount of hype the album has, but i think it's a really great album. adele sounds great, it communicates emotion really well, and the songwriting is really well done.
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Originally posted by Ressti
Okay, then that's what it is. A good adult contemporary album. Generic, but heartfelt. So why do some of you find it so hard to believe that other people might find it overrated?
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No one cares if anyone thinks it's overrated though, that's the thing. 21 came out over 3.5 years ago now. Why do you all feel the need to constantly stress that it's overrated?
We get it. Most already knew how ATRL felt towards 21.
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Originally posted by chilluminati
Calling anyone who doesn't see the hype in 21 'pressed' is laughable.
No, because I consider it to be pretty average so if it had 'flopped' I wouldn't have batted an eyelash. The main point is, I don't see it as anything special. But then again, there are plenty more outcomes than just smashing and flopping. Not just one or the other.
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Calling an album overrated just because it has achieved/sold so much just because you as an individual think is a boring/bland/nothing special is even more laughable.Every album with 21's level of success gets the same treatment. It's just your opinion. The thing is millions of people all around the world loved 21 and that's what matters.
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Originally posted by Javan
I didn't say Beyonce was the most experimental album. If you're genre is pop, obviously there is a limit to where it does not become pop with experimentation. Songs on Beyoncé all had generic elements, some songs like Blue being completely generic but for the most part I can tell you something unique and fresh for every single track. I can not do that for Adele. Because all her songs sound like an unevolved pop ballad blueprint.
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Well ok. I still think allot of this is just your opinion. Beyoncé is obviously more experimental than 21 but I don't think I would say there is nothing at all unique on 21 unless It was to some ridiculous standard that would also make Beyoncé and practically every other album not unique.
You say every song is an unevolved pop ballad and I don't really see much meaning in a comment like that. The album has elements from several different genre's and there is some verity on there. It seems like you don't really like the tame production but I don't think it's meant to be driven by prod, it's driven by vocals and lyrics.
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also i never understand why people call things generic as an insult on a POP MUSIC forum, unless it really does sound exactly like everything else on the radio in that moment, which 21 doesn't
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Originally posted by Benghazi82
Then again, why should music be complicated? Some of the best albums in history were founded on real musicality and not on studio smoke and mirrors. 21 was a great adult contemporary album. It was not trying/pretending to be something else.
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I didn't say it should be complicated. But what is antonymous to complicated? Basic? Generic?....
Indeed, Adele's music isn't complicated. But Beyoncé's song, Superpower wasn't complicated yet it wasn't generic, it was unique and experimental.
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Originally posted by Javan
I didn't say it should be complicated. But what is antonymous to complicated? Basic? Generic?....
Indeed, Adele's music isn't complicated. But Beyoncé's song, Superpower wasn't complicated yet it wasn't generic, it was unique and experimental.
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So you're basically in here to compare Beyoncé to Adele? Two completely different kinds of musicians?
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