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Music Video: "Do What U Want" Video Snippet
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Darkroth
Mess at all of you implying it condones rape. Guys, i want to make a confession..I AM A VICTIM OF RAPE from 2 people, i was raped in an alley. This video/snippet does not bring any "rapist" theme at all. My rapists are in jail. I can confirm that this video does not bring any "trautmatic experiences" back. You people should sort your s**t out.
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Thank you for telling us that.
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Please or offend, what may not bring back traumatic experiences for you, will for someone else. You may not see it as rape but someone else will. Not all reactions are the same and NO-ONE can talk for anyone else.
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Member Since: 5/7/2012
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Originally posted by Darkroth
Mess at all of you implying it condones rape. Guys, i want to make a confession..I AM A VICTIM OF RAPE from 2 people, i was raped in an alley. This video/snippet does not bring any "rapist" theme at all. My rapists are in jail. I can confirm that this video does not bring any "trautmatic experiences" back. You people should sort your s**t out.
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Lol, you monsters go to any length. Even if this is true that means you weren't drugged and raped, that's what we're talking about. Are they in an alley raping her in this video or naw?
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Member Since: 4/21/2011
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
Stop it. Stop defending it. Rape is tragic. Rape is serious.
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Exactly.
That's why you should feel ashamed of yourself by talking about that serious topic in this thread to bash Lady Gaga.
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Member Since: 1/11/2012
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Originally posted by Darkroth
Mess at all of you implying it condones rape. Guys, i want to make a confession..I AM A VICTIM OF RAPE from 2 people, i was raped in an alley. This video/snippet does not bring any "rapist" theme at all. My rapists are in jail. I can confirm that this video does not bring any "traumatic experiences" back. You people should sort your s**t out.
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I'm sorry you had to go through that, but your experience doesn't give you the right to speak on behalf of all rape victims.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
She's rendered unconscious while people "do what they want with her body." Even if that's just lifting up her arm and then dropping it, the fact that she doesn't wake up shows that she's been drugged and is unconscious. How do you not see that that could trigger traumatic memories in rape victims who were dated raped or raped when they were drunk and passed out?
You don't need to see them having non-consensual sex for it to be implied or alluded to. The fact that people are playing with her body while she's unconscious is enough to make it traumatic for rape victims. They only need to be reminded of it for it to hurt. It's like walking on egg-shells. Any offhanded comment or joke someone makes about rape (which you'd be amazed at how frequent/common they are) can make their eyes fill up with tears, and they say "hey can we go?" because the lump in the bottom of their throat is getting so big, because someone has triggered that traumatic memory and now they can't stop replaying it in their head.
Stop it. Stop defending it. Rape is tragic. Rape is serious.
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I don't know why you're constantly criticizing everything that Gaga does wrong.
Yes, rape is wrong. Rape is tragic. Rape culture in itself is a whole other can of worms that I could go on complaining about.
But you complaining about how this can be a trigger? Yes, it can. So can pretty much everything else she does. "Swine" and "Monster" have rape-related implications, and could trigger someone. You're not complaining about that, yet. There are countless things referenced in pop artist's material and lives that could trigger anyone at this point. This one isn't even one of the worst, and you're doing the most.
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Originally posted by lousaysthings
Please or offend, what may not bring back traumatic experiences for you, will for someone else. You may not see it as rape but someone else will. Not all reactions are the same and NO-ONE can talk for anyone else.
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Gaga is a victim of rape as well. Why do you think she wrote Swine sis? And why do you think she will condone the thing that caused her trauma and sadness? That's what the Marry The Night was about
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Originally posted by IsidoraMarí
Lol, you monsters go to any length. Even if this is true that means you weren't drugged and raped, that's what we're talking about. Are they in an alley raping her in this video or naw?
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MESS, go away and go bother someone else
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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Originally posted by Dylangaga
The only ppl IMPLYING RAPE are people LIKE YOU, who cant see past two ppl and understand gagas video and vision...GAGA'S VIDEO...just incase lemme clarify AGAIN, GAGA'S MUSIC VIDEO
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I don't even know what to say at this point. There have been so many times where someone has made a rape joke in front of Angela - I feel like by letting you know her name, the seriousness and gravity of this issue will sink in a bit more - and she's gone bright red. Her eyes fill up with tears and I can see that she's doing everything in her power to fight them off. I can see what she's thinking. Her mood is completely ruined and she just says "can we leave?" or "can we go home?" She's even told me that she's been at the park with her family before, and a male dog has randomly started humping a female dog and everyone started laughing, except her. They're just dogs mating. But it reminded her of when she was raped. Even though it was two years ago, she won't go to the police because she knows the guy, she doesn't want to ruin his life and she doesn't want everyone to hate her. They were just making out, drunk, and then he took it too far, and despite saying her repeatedly saying no, he kept going. She weighs like 45kg (100lbs) so it's not like she could fight him off.
You don't know what you're talking about, so stop it.
You're sitting there going "oooh this video is going to be so fierce, yaaassss gaga, yaaasss I love it" and I'm sitting here freaking the **** out that if this video leaks and shows up in Angela's facebook feed, I'm going to have to speak to her on the phone while she's crying uncontrollably while I frantically drive to her house so I can stop her from trying to commit suicide again.
Stop. It.
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Originally posted by ethan
I'm sorry you had to go through that, but your experience doesn't give you the right to speak on behalf of all rape victims.
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My experience gives me the right to judge if it condones something or if "brings" as you're saying "traumatic experiences back". Why would Gaga AGREE to be filmed for the concept of this video if it wasn't consensual? It's not that she was not intented to be anestetisized in the video
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Darkroth
Gaga is a victim of rape as well. Why do you think she wrote Swine sis? And why do you think she will condone the thing that caused her trauma and sadness? That's what the Marry The Night was about
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Then you would think that she wouldn't make a video like this, even if the intention was for it not to see the light of day. It just seems like controversy courting that went wrong.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
I don't even know what to say at this point. There have been so many times where someone has made a rape joke in front of Angela - I feel like by letting you know her name, the seriousness and gravity of this issue will sink in a bit more - and she's gone bright red. Her eyes fill up with tears and I can see that she's doing everything in her power to fight them off. I can see what she's thinking. Her mood is completely ruined and she just says "can we leave?" or "can we go home?" She's even told me that she's been at the park with her family before, and a male dog has randomly started humping a female dog and everyone started laughing, except her. They're just dogs mating. But it reminds her of when she was raped. Even though it was two years ago, she won't go to the police because she knows the guy, she doesn't want to ruin his life and she doesn't want everyone to hate her. They were just making out, drunk, and then he took it too far, and despite saying her repeatedly saying no, he kept going. She weighs like 45kg (100lbs) so it's not like she could fight him off.
You don't know what you're talking about, so stop it.
You're sitting there going "oooh this video is going to be so fierce, yaaassss gaga, yaaasss I love it" and I'm sitting here freaking the **** out that if this video leaks and shows up in Angela's facebook feed, I'm going to have to speak to her on the phone while she's crying uncontrollably while I frantically drive to her house so I can stop her from trying to commit suicide again.
Stop. It.
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While I'm sorry for both you and your friend about that happening, and you have my sympathy, I think you made the circumstance with this clear with the story about her crying due to dogs mating. Rape is an awful, disgusting thing, but I'd focus more on protecting Angela on her own end rather than flinging **** at Gaga about this.
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you know what I'm laughing at the NERVE of people on this website talking about "blindly stanning" for gaga when half this site ****ing blindly hates the hell out of that woman for no good reason, further evidenced by the mess and overreacting in this thread. y'all wanna use this clip as fuel for your unfounded hatred for her and her fans, be my guest but don't you ****ing dare say that just because other people don't see it the way you see it means that they are blinded by their love for her. that's all. I'm done with this thread
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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Originally posted by X/O/X/O
While I'm sorry for both you and your friend about that happening, and you have my sympathy, I think you made the circumstance with this clear with the story about her crying due to dogs mating. Rape is an awful, disgusting thing, but I'd focus more on protecting Angela on her own end rather than flinging **** at Gaga about this.
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You don't think I've tried every day for the past 2 years? You don't think she's been in counselling for this? It doesn't just go away. You don't just "focus on the rape victim" rather than trying to eradicate rape culture wherever it is. That's a ridiculous comment. Please. Stop defending this.
edit: And how exactly do you suggest I "protect Angela" from all this? I have my own life to live and I can't always be there for her, checking her Facebook feed to make sure there's no music videos that are insensitive to rape victims, or checking the dog park to make sure there are no dogs having sex. I can't approach a group of people before she does and say "hey guys, just to let you know, Ang was raped 2 years ago so please be super careful about making rape jokes." Everything I do to help that girl out is reactive. I can't do anything proactive. It's always responding to something that has brought up her memories. I can't prevent those memories from being brought up. The only way to do that is to speak up against rape culture.
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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Originally posted by Darkroth
Mess at all of you implying it condones rape. Guys, i want to make a confession..I AM A VICTIM OF RAPE from 2 people, i was raped in an alley. This video/snippet does not bring any "rapist" theme at all. My rapists are in jail. I can confirm that this video does not bring any "traumatic experiences" back. You people should sort your s**t out.
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Originally posted by Darkroth
My experience gives me the right to judge if it condones something or if "brings" as you're saying "traumatic experiences back". Why would Gaga AGREE to be filmed for the concept of this video if it wasn't consensual? It's not that she was not intented to be anestetisized in the video
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If you were raped in an alley, I'm incredibly sorry. I've witness first hand how it can ruin someone's life. But I really question why, as a rape victim, you would let this slide. I would think even Gaga stans who've been raped would speak out against rape culture wherever it was presented.
And as for "I can confirm this video does not bring any traumatic experiences" and "my experience gives me the right to judge" - that is incredibly immature and it's simply just not true. You do not speak for all rape victims. Like I said above, my friend sinks into depression whenever she sees two dogs having sex. She hasn't been able to have sex since. Her rape wasn't even in an alley by two strangers like yours apparently was. She knew the guy and it has still completely ruined her life.
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Member Since: 1/11/2012
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Originally posted by Darkroth
My experience gives me the right to judge if it condones something or if "brings" as you're saying "traumatic experiences back". Why would Gaga AGREE to be filmed for the concept of this video if it wasn't consensual? It's not that she was not intented to be anestetisized in the video
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It gives you the right to judge for yourself, but not for other people. Obviously Gaga knew what was going on when she was filming, but it appears that she doesn't, she's acting passed out. Why did she agree to it? I don't know, the important thing is that she didn't release it.
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The music video looks good
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Oh my ****ing God. Please leak the video.
But I see why this wasn't released. This either could have ended Gaga's career or catapulted it.
Oh my God, I can't.
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