True.

I'm still not understanding how this has anything to do with impact or how big their peak was.

Avril in Asia and Canada, Bey everywhere else. IASF was a way bigger era than Let Go in most places (obviously it sold way less than Let Go considering the market in 2008/2009 is half of that in 2002).

Well it would depend on how you define a peak. Are you referring to numbers alone? Or are you thinking culturally and critically as well? To me, it should be a combination of all those things. Thus, it seems that Beyonce has had bigger peaks than Avril's peak in regards to the sum of all the elements that goes into the era of a popstar.

Culturally, Avril wins. Just because Bey had two impactful songs with Crazy in Love and Single Ladies doesn't mean that she had more had more impact than Avril. I don't see the connection between critical success and impact/how big a peak was.

Only on ATRL can you get people that actually think Avril is a legend of some sort.

Try to contribute something instead of making fun of people.

Two? Sis, you need to stop smoking that kush before you get on here.

Their peak, around the same ... Bey just a little bit more.

Overall success, Bey by miles.

There's nothing to contribute. Avril is not a legend. She's a joke to a majority of the GP, minus Japan. Beyonce is seen as a legend globally. There's really nothing more to say here.

This thread is not about what the critics think of them or who is a legend, it's about which had a bigger peak.

numbers wise: avril
culturally: avril

Mariah. ha impact!

So aside from Complicated which songs of Avril's were impactful and were they impactful enough to still be referenced and as powerful as Crazy in Love and Single Ladies? I know Avril ushered in the wave of pop-punk and anti-Britney's, but that was a short lived trend. The reason that critical success and impact is a part of peak is because those are two elements that are hugely important in your career. If the question is who sold more albums or something then that is objective and this thread is unnecessary.

To break it down, in 2008 Beyonce released I Am … Sasha Fierce. She had a massively iconic music video that was bigger than any pop girl video in a long time. Aside from that #1, she also had a string of top tens and the album sold very well. The rest of the era saw the release of #1 Box Office hit movie, a massively successful world tour, a historic performance at the Inauguration Ball of Barrack Obama, a successful performance DVD staying at the top of the DVD chart for 8 weeks, and to top it off she won six Grammys in one night. So.. the question is, has Avril ever matched that?

The one that's not opening for a washed up boy band.

Keep telling that to yourself so you can believe that any of beyoncé's era's were bigger than Let Go. Let Go sales only ***** on your arguments. not to mention the impact she left the skater boi tomboy-ish style and the neckties that were everywhere at a time where Britney was the most successful out there still people had put Avril as anti-Britney so you can see how big she was. +How she revived the pop-punk rockier stuff at the time where there weren't as many pop rock icons (only her Nickelback and Michelle Branch and somehow P!nk ) and we're talking about peak not longevity. so don't put being an opening act there. (P!nk was an opening act back in 2006 I think and look at how TTAL was doing last year).

About being a short trend don't judge that based on how you feel like. because the amount of the next emo/pop rock chicks that came after Avril's LG and UMS was.. aka Ashley, Kelly and Amy. and TBDT still is one of the most outstanding Pop-punk albums out there. She obviously sold more and had critical aclaim at the time. and that was her peak that is obviously bigger than beyoncé's.
Girlfriend was the first video to hit 100m video so it was the biggest at the time but Vevo deleted that version later still the new version has 239m now. and if your using long time=Longevity which is the opposite of what this thread is about we all know beyoncé is bigger now but Avril was the biggest at her peak too. It sold between 7m-8m which is the same number for Avril's TBDT and don't forget that Girlfriend was the biggest hit of 2007. We're talking about music not movies sis.. and don't pull those grammies here because even most successful artists aka Mariah Carey doesn't have as many grammies those are overrated and given unfairly and only based on success (and even though Mariah is the biggest selling US female artist)

Avril.

This thread is like everyday, and Queen Avril remains winning.

Avril was massive between 2002-2007. No Bey era was ever as big as Let Go era. Avril's peak was bigger obviously.

I agree that Avril had impact at the time, but so did Beyonce, it's just that Beyonce's impact was both in the pop world and the urban world, whereas Avril's was mostly pop (I don't think that the rock crowd took her seriously).