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Discussion: what is lady gaga"s influence on pop culture ?
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Originally posted by KESTER
Rolling Stones put it best
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wait I'm laughing  but yeah this kinda reiterates I guess what we've all been trying to say that Gaga did impact the pop girls more so than anything else
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Originally posted by lonnie
This is to prove music had no art before lady gaga?
First off honey music is a form of art, let's start from there, her being one of the most popular artists has nothing to do with it.
All those things you claim she made more popular were even more popular before her debut. Madonna, Prince, Missy Elliot, David Bowie, MJ, Grace Jones all had made these forms of eccentricities popular at their time, Missy being one of those who did it just before Gaga did.
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Do you seriously lack basic reading comprehension? He isn't saying that there was no art before Gaga. 
Yes, the artists you mentioned made all of that popular in their time period. But what about the period from 2003-2008 where pop music was boring as hell? Where was their influence then? R&B and Hip-Hop were the dominating genres. TRL went off the air and Britney was having her meltdown so there were no major "IT" girl pop stars. Gaga helped bring pop music back to the top. She helped turn music videos back into major events. She made it cool to be weird again.
None of that has to do with "inventing" art. Making something trendy is not the same as inventing. It's like when Britney burst onto the scene in 1998 and suddenly there were several other pop artists crafted after her image (Christina, Jessica Simpson, Mandy Moore, etc). Britney didn't invent the girl next door image but her massive popularity at the time was what made it popular. The same applies to Gaga.
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
Actually those are all a lot less weird. And a lot of the stuff she wore in her debut era like that was all just quirky, meant to be silly and funny stuff. She really started wearing weirder actual designer stuff in 2011/2012.
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So... because it was quirky means it wasn't weird to the viewers? So care to explain how wearing a blown up tree, or a carrousel as a dress, isn't just as extreme as wearing a block of cheese. 
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Originally posted by lonnie
No that's not the meaning of avant-garde. |
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The avant-garde pushes the boundaries of what is accepted as the norm or the status quo, primarily in the cultural realm.
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Again, I took a university class on avant garde, I know a lot more than you think. We even watched Gaga's 2009 VMA performance as an example of modern avant garde in pop culture.
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I'm not a Gaga stan at all, but I really don't understand how anyone can deny the impact she had on the look of female pop stars.
Britney set the standard look from late 90s to late 00s: uber sexy, lots of skin, midriff, colorful designs and booty jeans (changed to slightly more urban look in mid 00s). Then after 2008 the standard look took a sharp left turn. Weird replaced sexy: dark and futuristic was suddenly in, metallic designs with sharp edges, S&M inspired, leather and latex.
There were hints of this in the Disturbia video, but Gaga's rise to fame opened the door for all the pop girls to start experimenting with darker, edgier looks.
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Originally posted by lonnie
This is to prove music had no art before lady gaga?
First off honey music is a form of art, let's start from there, her being one of the most popular artists has nothing to do with it.
All those things you claim she made more popular were even more popular before her debut. Madonna, Prince, Missy Elliot, David Bowie, MJ, Grace Jones all had made these forms of eccentricities popular at their time, Missy being one of those who did it just before Gaga did.
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You are AGAIN implying we, Monsters are saying Gaga invented these things 
As I said she was FRESH and the MOST popular and INTERESTING artist in 2008,2009,2010 & 2011. Of course people were inspired by her !
Gaga said multiple times her main influences are Madonna, David Bowie, MJ and Grace Jones so I don't understand what are you even trying to say!
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Originally posted by TheNight
- There's no need to be so rude. There's kinder ways of getting your point across.
- Did you miss the part where I mentioned that Gaga had been vocal about self-acceptance since early 2009?
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I'm not being rude at all. And you said those songs you listed were hopping on the self-acceptance songs bandwagon, created by Gaga after BTW.
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
Can you guys please explain why everybody said Christina was copying Gaga in both 2008 and 2010 if Gaga's weirdness was nothing new, it had always been there, etc? Same with people saying Katy was trying to be Gaga with her weirdness, and Nicki?
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
Gaga definitely reinvigorated the industry with the importance of visuals, fashion and music videos. To deny that is just stupid. In the mid-2000's, a lot of music videos were really stale. They were often just people in a studio, dancing to the song they were singing, e.g. 'My Humps' by The Black Eyed Peas. Or the music video featured scenes from a movie the song was promoting, like '1 Thing' by Amerie. After Gaga entered the industry, it was all about the fashion and the music videos. EVERYONE lifted their game. The only problem is, everyone else's game is now currently higher than Gaga's. And the GP don't care that the reason music industry is what it is today, is because of what Gaga brought back to the table in 2008-09.
So I for one am willingly admitting that there is a "before Gaga" and an "after Gaga" effect. Including my own favourite Rihanna (despite the fact that Disturbia was very visual and that was pre-Gaga). That being said, I feel Gaga fans also need to admit that even though she did bring huge, avant garde costumes to the table, that's now gone out of fashion. The GP, especially the HUGE market of straight girls, want someone (like Rih) who they can look to for styling advice, and whose style they can love and copy. Gaga's best looks from this era (in my opinion) have been the sexy, simple ones where she's wearing clothes, and not avant garde costumes.
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Spill the tea.
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art's in pop culture in ha
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Originally posted by KESTER
Rolling Stones put it best
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People really can't get it through their heads that Gaga changed the game in 2009/2010. Literally every pop star began emulating her around that time. And still, she continues to be an influence to just about everyone in the industry. The proof is right in front of your eyes and you still can't see it 
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Originally posted by Jawni
So... because it was quirky means it wasn't weird to the viewers? So care to explain how wearing a blown up tree, or a carrousel as a dress, isn't just as extreme as wearing a block of cheese. |
Because that stuff was clearly meant to be silly, tongue-in-cheek, quirky, etc. And she wore it all pretty much only when she was performing. In 2011, she started really wearing weirder, high fashion designer stuff, both on and off the stage.
If Katy had always been wearing weird stuff, why did everybody say Christina was copying Gaga when she started being weirder, not Katy?
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Originally posted by Bribe
Do you seriously lack basic reading comprehension? He isn't saying that there was no art before Gaga.
Yes, the artists you mentioned made all of that popular in their time period. But what about the period from 2003-2008 where pop music was boring as hell? Where was their influence then? R&B and Hip-Hop were the dominating genres. TRL went off the air and Britney was having her meltdown so there were no major "IT" girl pop stars. Gaga helped bring pop music back to the top. She helped turn music videos back into major events. She made it cool to be weird again.
None of that has to do with "inventing" art. Making something trendy is not the same as inventing. It's like when Britney burst onto the scene in 1998 and suddenly there were several other pop artists crafted after her image (Christina, Jessica Simpson, Mandy Moore, etc). Britney didn't invent the girl next door image but her massive popularity at the time was what made it popular. The same applies to Gaga. |
I would have to disagree if anything I think pop music is more boring now 
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Originally posted by Ulquiorra Allen
some love-yourself songs
i am me- ashlee simpson
beautiful- james blunt
beautiful- christina aguilera
who i am- jessica andrews
unpretty- tlc
a little bit stronger- sarah evans
unwritten-natasha bedingfield
Stronger Woman by Jewel
More beautiful you by Jonny Diaz
Video by India arie
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All of these songs other than A Little Bit Stronger were released after the 2010-2011 threshold I was referring to, and the fact that A Little Bit Stronger was released during the threshold proves my point that people were jumping on the opportunity to release self-acceptance songs.
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That didn't answer my question. Why did people say Christina was copying Gaga in both 2008 and 2010?
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Originally posted by Ulquiorra Allen
some love-yourself songs
i am me- ashlee simpson
beautiful- james blunt
beautiful- christina aguilera
who i am- jessica andrews
unpretty- tlc
a little bit stronger- sarah evans
unwritten-natasha bedingfield
Stronger Woman by Jewel
More beautiful you by Jonny Diaz
Video by India arie
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Beautiful by James Blunt is not a love yourself song
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
Again, I took a university class on avant garde, I know a lot more than you think. We even watched Gaga's 2009 VMA performance as an example of modern avant garde in pop culture.
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i'm an Impressionism fine artist, i know alot about avant garde than you, so stop
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rihanna post-gggb, nicki minaj, Xtina bionic era.... extravaganza became a must. sorry if you deny it then BYE. |
What are you even talking about?
Why are people acting like they dont know anything about music before 2008??
BREAKING NEWS:
Image was always an important part of music industry and artists always saw it as another way of self-expression.
I am not talking only about last 10 years. Look at some musicians from 50s like Elvis or Little Richard, look at how rock and pop stars of the 60s and 70s, how Jimi Hendrix, ABBA, Keith Richards or Freddie Mercury dressed themselves. Artists (and not only musicians, also writers, painters, designers etc.) were often considered very extravagant because their creativity was often reflected in their life style and the way they dressed themselves.
Most of musicians had their own distinctive style and there was always an extravagant side to it.
Some musicians were more conservative, while others were crazy with it - the only thing it depends on is their nature (being introvert or extrovert has also something to do with it) and to an extent life style. So no, extravaganza is not a must, its a choice or a natural inclination.
Being extravagant is something that often goes hand in hand with being on stage, having attention and wanting to shine/be noticed and easily recognized. Thats why extravaganza always was and always will be a part of music industry and performing.
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Originally posted by GaSkrillex
You are AGAIN implying we, Monsters are saying Gaga invented these things
As I said she was FRESH and the MOST popular and INTERESTING artist in 2008,2009,2010 & 2011. Of course people were inspired by her !
Gaga said multiple times her main influences are Madonna, David Bowie, MJ and Grace Jones so I don't understand what are you even trying to say! |
Yeah and you guys are giving Nicki and Katy as examples of that, the pop industry goes way beyond just the 2 of them.
You know what let's just agree to disagree, I don't see this big Impact Gaga has in the music industry that you guys claim she has. I'm not saying that she lacked impact but that the amount of impact she had has been extremely exaggerated by her fans.
Especially when there's no sign of this Impact in the industry nowadays.
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