| |
Poll: Are there two parts to the LGBT community?
|
View Poll Results: .
|
|
Yes
|
   
|
16 |
72.73% |
|
No
|
  
|
6 |
27.27% |
Banned
Member Since: 2/12/2012
Posts: 9,586
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
Aren't you the bothered one though cause you are the one who made this needlessly controversial thread? 
And yes, lesbians are given an easier time than gay men for a plethora of reasons, a lot of them stemming ultimately from misogyny and gay men opposing the patriarchal narrative of "what it means to be a man" and blah blah. But who cares? It's not a competition.  |
I didn't realize this was "controversial"
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 21,143
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Ice Cream Clouds
1. Cis white gay guys
2. everyone else
What do you think?  |
I for one like to think of the LGBT community being all encompassing, but if you'd like to divide it because of your predispositions about a certain faction of that community, then, by all means, go ahead.
|
|
|
|
Banned
Member Since: 2/12/2012
Posts: 9,586
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Citrus
I for one like to think of the LGBT community being all encompassing, but if you'd like to divide it because of your predispositions about a certain faction of that community, then, by all means, go ahead.
|
I agree, but I've been to LGBT groups and some of them seem to sort of separate themselves from white gay guys. One of them even said they couldn't watch Queer As Folk because there was no diversity. But I'll wait to be attacked more. 
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/18/2012
Posts: 20,576
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Citrus
I for one like to think of the LGBT community being all encompassing, but if you'd like to divide it because of your predispositions about a certain faction of that community, then, by all means, go ahead.
|
I think it's the media who does this. Gays are always shown as a white adult male, with a flamboyant attitude, a thing for fashion, and has plenty of female and flamboyant white male friends.
While men of other races are shown in a thuggish, asexual, or idiotic. While females are the sexual objects of men.
It's very similar to the feminist groups, and how women of color are having a hard time being apart of that group. It's always a white verses other issue.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 23,375
|
Quote:
Originally posted by lancelovesgaga
do you know what cis is?  |
I think they're talking about the straight acting gays who look down on everyone who's fem and not straight people approved
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 4,333
|
By grouping together "everybody else", you're othering everybody that isn't white  But yes, I'm embarrassed to be white when I think about the ignorant **** some white gay guys say. The number of transphobic gay guys I've met is horrifying 
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 21,143
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Ice Cream Clouds
I agree, but I've been to LGBT groups and some of them seem to sort of separate themselves from white gay guys. One of them even said they couldn't watch Queer As Folk because there was no diversity. But I'll wait to be attacked more. |
I read your OP thinking it was directed towards the "white gay guys", but my comment below applies to this somewhat, as well. I just don't understand or agree with the long term goals of anyone who would want to split up the group from within when there is already such a large amount of opposition to be faced as is.
Quote:
Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
I think it's the media who does this. Gays are always shown as a white adult male, with a flamboyant attitude, a thing for fashion, and has plenty of female and flamboyant white male friends.
While men of other races are shown in a thuggish, asexual, or idiotic. While females are the sexual objects of men.
It's very similar to the feminist groups, and how women of color are having a hard time being apart of that group. It's always a white verses other issue.
|
I understand the implications of media, and I think that's why self-determined unity is so important. In a world so eager to divide a group through means such as those you mentioned, it is our duty to stay connected.
|
|
|
|
Banned
Member Since: 3/3/2012
Posts: 13,073
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Citrus
I for one like to think of the LGBT community being all encompassing, but if you'd like to divide it because of your predispositions about a certain faction of that community, then, by all means, go ahead.
|
Not when the whole RPDR mess exposed the gays and their transphobia.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 15,535
|
Quote:
Originally posted by LoveInStereo
By grouping together "everybody else", you're othering everybody that isn't white But yes, I'm embarrassed to be white when I think about the ignorant **** some white gay guys say. The number of transphobic gay guys I've met is horrifying |
dont let the ignorant ones define all of them. im a white gay too and i dont share the same views that ive heard from other white gays.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 2/20/2012
Posts: 24,225
|
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 7/15/2012
Posts: 35,409
|
yes, there're the mean gays and the non-mean gays
Quote:
Originally posted by Ice Cream Clouds
I agree, but I've been to LGBT groups and some of them seem to sort of separate themselves from white gay guys. One of them even said they couldn't watch Queer As Folk because there was no diversity. But I'll wait to be attacked more. |
do you think it's the opposite - the white guys separate themselves from other guys
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 2,345
|
Yaas and it shows the most on atrl
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/18/2012
Posts: 1,413
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Fenty
dont let the ignorant ones define all of them. im a white gay too and i dont share the same views that ive heard from other white gays.
|
Same here. High five for open mindedness!
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/17/2013
Posts: 19,066
|
I'm so tired of the word Cis. Like give it a rest people.
|
|
|
|
ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
Posts: 53,769
|
No. Both "parties" (and I put that in quotes as those are two pretty loose and general groups you have there) are wrong if they neglect to acknowledge the struggles of the other, worse or not. We all want equality for everyone, cis, white, gay or otherwise. It's not about which subsets of minority groups can find acceptance faster or anything - it's all or nothing and if anyone thinks otherwise (such as some random cis white gay guy believing his fight is done when he's personally comfortable) then they're wrong.
|
|
|
|
ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
Posts: 53,769
|
Quote:
Originally posted by chilicheese01
Wtf is cis?
|
It's the condition of one's gender identity matching that which society expects of their biological sex; it's short for "cisgender".
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/6/2014
Posts: 13,097
|
Yes but there's multiple parts to every community 
|
|
|
|
ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
Posts: 53,769
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Citrus
I read your OP thinking it was directed towards the "white gay guys", but my comment below applies to this somewhat, as well. I just don't understand or agree with the long term goals of anyone who would want to split up the group from within when there is already such a large amount of opposition to be faced as is.
I understand the implications of media, and I think that's why self-determined unity is so important. In a world so eager to divide a group through means such as those you mentioned, it is our duty to stay connected.
|
Exactly!! If we can't agree that we're all in this together for equality, what progress will we make? Splitting what we perceive to be the most well-off and largest group from the whole is actually counterproductive - it will just encourage media and society to normalize just that one group and still ignore the rights deserved by and hardships faced by other LGBTQIA+ groups.
|
|
|
|
|
|
