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ATRL: Men the biggest threat to women?
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
You're only looking at half the story. Watch any action film and take a look at the hundreds of anonymous henchmen the hero lays waste to without any hesitation. How many women do you see among their ranks?
In those movies, for every man who gets to be the hero or the villain, there are hundreds who are nothing more than cannon fodder.
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And in those movies, women are only used as love interests and as a pretty sidekick because that's all we are irl too.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Sasha Pieterse
Even if you changed the definition of the crime, women raping men wouldn't even get close to being done to the same extent as men raping women. Maybe we'd add a percentage or two to the statistics but the rape culture would stay the same.
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Researchers into the field of traumatic memory recovery note that the longer the period of time a person is asked recall a traumatic event, the less likely they are to remember it. How this works is that surveys that ask about a traumatic event in the last six months get less false negatives than those that ask about a traumatic event in the last twelve months which, itself, gets considerably fewer false negatives than lifetime prevalence.
For men this effect is even more pronounced.
16% of men with documented cases of sexual abuse considered their early childhood experiences sexual abuse, compared with 64% of women with documented cases of sexual abuse. These gender differences may reflect inadequate measurement techniques or an unwillingness on the part of men to disclose this information (Widom and Morris 1997).
Only 16% of men with documented case histories of child sexual abuse disclosed that abuse on a survey intended to capture child sexual abuse. Sixteen percent of men compared to sixty-four percent of women.
That amounts to a disclosure rate of child sexual abuse four times higher in women than in men.
Is it any wonder that the CDC’s 2010 survey (correcting for their mis-categorization of female-on-male rape) found that 18.3% of women and 6.2% of men were victimized over their lifetimes?
Comparing the lifetime rate of sexual abuse for men and women is misleading in determining their relative risk of sexual violence, simply because men disclose childhood sexual abuse four times less often than women.
There may be many reasons for this. It’s unlikely that it’s due to sexual abuse being less impactful on men because studies have shown that sexual abuse does have a profound impact on men, and this includes female-on-male sexual abuse. For instance, the link between sexual abuse and suicide attempts is stronger in boys (Rhodes et al. 2001) and sexually abused boys are twice as likely to commit suicide (Molnar et al. 2001) than sexually abused girls. In addition to that, there is a risk factor for sexually abused men to sexually abuse others is if their abuser was female (Salter et al. 2003.)
One possible reason for men not disclosing, or even “forgetting”, is quite simple: our social narrative does not allow for, nor does it depict, the sexual abuse of males. To a degree it allows for the sexual abuse of boys by men, but not boys by women or adult men by anyone.
If we look at the more reliable statistic, the risk of rape in the last twelve months, and we fix the NIPSVS’s mistake in classifying forced envelopment as “other sexual assault” and not rape, we find that 80% of men report a female rapist and 98% of women report a male rapist. (This estimate is based on the sex of reported perpetrators for sexual assault over a lifetime. There is no reason to think the number of female perpetrators for ‘forced envelopment’ would decline between the lifetime and last year reports: if anything they would increase)
Since there were roughly equal numbers of men(forced to penetrate) and women(forced to envelop) raped in the last year, if we look at a population of 100 rape victims, 50 of which are male and 50 of which are female and apply the statistic that 80% of the male victims were raped by a woman, we get 40 male victims raped by a woman.
That works out to about 40% of rapists being female and 60% being male. A far cry from 95+% of rapists being male.
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And in those movies, women are only used as love interests and as a pretty sidekick because that's all we are irl too.
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I mean... at least the love interests and pretty sidekicks are (usually) important to the story in some way.
Princess Peach may not have the most dignified role, but I'd rather be her than a freakin' goomba.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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I give up.
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I don't know why people are trying to counter argue this with nonsense. Men have and continue to antagonize women. It's a fact. Straight white men have the upper hand in nearly every situation. Nothing you post will change that.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
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I mean... at least the love interests and pretty sidekicks are (usually) important to the story in some way.
Princess Peach may not have the most dignified role, but I'd rather be her than a freakin' goomba.
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Goomba has more power than Princess Peach. Her future always depends on men, whether Mario is trying to save her or Goomba kidnaps her.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Vine101
I don't know why people are trying to counter argue this with nonsense. Men have and continue to antagonize women. It's a fact. Straight white men have the upper hand in nearly every situation. Nothing you post will change that.
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Feminism doesn't want to - and shouldn't be forced to - fight men's battles too. Society is really ****ed up, and nobody is denying the fact that there are issues and injustices toward men as well, BUT THAT IS NOT OUR BATTLE TO FIGHT. 
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So dead at that "men are more oppressed than women" thread being made because we can't have a discussion about the inequalities and dangers women face, at the hands of men, without people going on the defensive. 
For the record I'm not sexist against males but it's very telling that in cases of murder, rape, or any sexual assault, men are usually the ones behind it. Of course I'm not pointing fingers at all men because individuals are different and people will say men are biologically more violent than women but there still needs to be a change in the way society, media, parents, and schools raise boys to have this sense of entitlement, or to be violent, or not have any emotions etc. Its all very harmful. And instead if fixing these problems and raising boys better, they teach girls to adapt and defend themselves against these men.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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http://bechdeltest.com/?list=all
This website is amazing.
It rates movies on these terms:
1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man
Look at how many movies fail to meet all three requirements 
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Sasha Pieterse
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Feminism doesn't want to - and shouldn't be forced to - fight men's battles too. Society is really ****ed up, and nobody is denying the fact that there are issues and injustices toward men as well, BUT THAT IS NOT OUR BATTLE TO FIGHT. |
I never said that it's feminism's job to fight men's battles.
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Goomba has more power than Princess Peach. Her future always depends on men, whether Mario is trying to save her or Goomba kidnaps her.
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No, no, Bowser is the one who kidnaps Peach. Goombas are the little mushrooms with fangs that you stomp in every level. You know, these things:
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So dead at that "men are more oppressed than women" thread being made because we can't have a discussion about the inequalities and dangers women face, at the hands of men, without people going on the defensive
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Listen, I think it's ridiculous to claim that men are more oppressed than women, or oppressed at all really. You have no argument there.
I just think that men and women both have unique disadvantages in our society due to the restrictive gender roles we enforce upon them.
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LOL! Gender inequality in our day and age is negligible. Women get raped, men get raped. Where is the inequality? Women occupy just as many positions of power as men in today's society. Hell, 80% of my bosses during my career have been females; and a lot of the companies I've worked for have female CEO's. The gap between women's and men's earning power is getting narrower each year. I'm tired of this "men are a danger to women" nonsense. We're not.
Also, can we discuss how it's ONLY acceptable for men to DIE in war? Why is this? I've always wondered.
And before I brace myself, can we discuss how some women demand equality but still get EXTREMELY offended when the man doesn't pick up the check like it's some crime against humanity?
*braces self for the incoming wave of feminist nonsense*
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Manufacturing Female Victimhood and Marginalizing Vulnerable Men
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http://www.genderratic.com/
 Not an "article" from this Men's Rights Activist website being a credible source now And their subheading "Ending the Empathy Apartheid"? Not only racist as hell for comparing the non-existent, ficitious crusade against men to actual horrific racism but also such a perfect example of ignorant buzzword-flinging tumblr
Get out of here with your thinly veiled misogyny, denial of reality and distortion of facts.
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I mean claiming that "female victimhood is manufactured" when 1/4th of women will be raped in their lifetimes, and then claiming it's only because of how rape has been defined and that men are also actually victims on a comparable scale? How DISGUSTING. You should be ASHAMED of yourself. Get OUT.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
http://www.genderratic.com/
Not an "article" from this Men's Rights Activist website being a credible source now And their subheading "Ending the Empathy Apartheid"? Not only racist as hell for comparing the non-existent, ficitious crusade against men to actual horrific racism but also such a perfect example of ignorant buzzword-flinging tumblr
Get out of here with your thinly veiled misogyny, denial of reality and distortion of facts.
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Why don't you try attacking the actual arguments instead of dismissing it based on the source?
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not sure if trolls or... 
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Yeah, because I'm obviously trolling with this:
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Listen, I think it's ridiculous to claim that men are more oppressed than women, or oppressed at all really. You have no argument there.
I just think that men and women both have unique disadvantages in our society due to the restrictive gender roles we enforce upon them.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Vato
LOL! Gender inequality in our day and age is negligible. Women get raped, men get raped. Where is the inequality? Women occupy just as many positions of power as men in today's society. Hell, 80% of my bosses during my career have been females; and a lot of the companies I've worked for have female CEO's. The gap between women's and men's earning power is getting narrower each year. I'm tired of this "men are a danger to women" nonsense. We're not.
Also, can we discuss how it's ONLY acceptable for men to DIE in war? Why is this? I've always wondered.
And before I brace myself, can we discuss how some women demand equality but still get EXTREMELY offended when the man doesn't pick up the check like it's some crime against humanity?
*braces self for the incoming wave of feminist nonsense*
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The inequality is that women are far more likely than men to experience sexual abuse. The inequality is that most of the time men are the ones committing sexual abuse in cases of rape for men and women.
Also is war the only thing to be brought up everytime we talk about inequalities? Yes I agree its bs make your own thread about it. And no men shouldn't be expected to pay for every meal either but that in no way compares to what women have to deal with.
Another thing is just because your one area of work has more female bosses doesn't reflect job inequalities not to mention pay inequalities around the world for women 
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Member Since: 6/26/2012
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Originally posted by KareBear
The inequality is that women are far more likely than men to experience sexual abuse. The inequality is that most of the time men are the ones committing sexual abuse in cases of rape for men and women.
Also is war the only thing to be brought up everytime we talk about inequalities? Yes I agree its bs make your own thread about it. And no men shouldn't be expected to pay for every meal either but that in no way compares to what women have to deal with.
Another thing is just because your one area of work has more female bosses doesn't reflect job inequalities not to mention pay inequalities around the world for women |
Not true, fun fact 40% of rapists are women.
The wage gap is a myth that has been debunked by feminists and government officials over and over again http://oratorasaurus.tumblr.com/post...called-pay-gap
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
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Originally posted by Sasha Pieterse
http://bechdeltest.com/?list=all
This website is amazing.
It rates movies on these terms:
1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man
Look at how many movies fail to meet all three requirements
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So hold up.
This is the metric you use to whether or not its worth watching or not?
What happened happened to just whether its entertaining or not? Jesus  syduck:
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
So hold up.
This is the metric you use to whether or not its worth watching or not?
What happened happened to just whether its entertaining or not? Jesus syduck: |
No, I watch any movie I want to. This website just highlights how secondary women usually are in movies. Just because it's good doesn't mean it's not sexist.
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