Who cares about 'personal talent' when the final product doesn't amount to much? The fact of the matter is that people enjoy Rihanna's music, her videos and her persona.

Chris Brown's only good album is F.A.M.E the rest are just so basic.

She doesn't

Right but I was talking to NewRihannaStan about the TALENT she was mentioning. Which is why it matters because that was the basis of this conversation

Personal talent doesn't matter much if your music's terrible (look @ Paula Abdul)

Not to nention that Rihanna works with the same producers and writers that her peers do but SHE is the difference and SHE is wat makes the music appeal to the general public

But we're not talking about music quality. We're talking about talent. Actually who is we, I was talking to NRS. I don't even know why all of y'all are adding your two cents.

Nobody is saying people can't enjoy good music, like a final product, like someones personality, etc. But she/he specifically said she was talented so I was asking HOW. That is how this conversation even came about.

Nothing y'all are mentioning are talents. People paying more attention to you because you have your titties out isn't a talent. People thinking you're a kii isn't a talent. People liking you because they think you're gorgeous and like the way you dress isn't a talent. Y'all are mentioning stuff that has to deal with personality/popularity neither of which I've denied Rihanna posesses. I was inquiring about the talents NRS mentioned, tis all

Ok but it's a useless argument, they're not competing in talent shows

German hip hop is so cool

Leute sagen zu mir "Cro das Genie",
denn er flowt wieder wie
dieser Hova
und außerdem baut er die Beats
es ist easy

Und dieser Typ hier vergleicht sich mit Jay-Z
und scheiß auf die Playsi
denn ich häng' ab mit Rockstars
genauso wie AC/D- easy

She does all these things btw.
She's a better artist.
You have to be smart and talented to be a great artist.

lol Cro is awful and arrogant sry

Ok.

Way to deflect from the topic at hand.

Chris is technically more talented, but his writing/composing is not that remarkable anyway so we have Rih's voice><Chris' dancing

I came across Traum on spotify and decided to listen to some of his other songs
Idk who he is but the song is good so

I agree with FAME.

Songwriters/Choreographers are just instruments.
Only a great artist can use them properly to create a good body of work

I think what NRS is saying is that Rihanna has Improved in all the areas she was struggling in previously. That may not make her the most talented but to say she's completely void of any talent is a reach.

She has a ear for good music which to me is a talent because not all artist have shown that consistency and capability over time. She has co-wrote and nobody has ever questioned her involvement with her music which shows she is somewhat involved. Talent doesn't have to mean single handedly writing all your music because if your music is **** then there's no credibility(Katy). Most artist write or contribute their music within a group in a studio like Rihanna.

Saying she is an okay vocalist doesn't mean shes not talented because the average human voice can't hit the notes how she can, or sound as pleasant.

Talent is overrated anyway

I feel really bad for him. Directing is difficult.