A direct quote from who? What kind of evasion is this?

"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you."

From the very first one on the list.

fair enough, however now this is a matter of you sounding uneducated on whole, separate from religion. let me see if i understand this.

i don't know if you meant to word this differently, but obviously that's not what i meant. if that's what i meant, Christians wouldn't believe the Bible because man wrote it.

it hasn't, you just cherry pick certain things (out of context to a certain extent, and not you specifically, most people who make similar arguments to yours) in order to strengthen your stance. this doesn't make you seem smarter. by that logic people who support their radical and offensive views using verses from the Bible are smart. again, it doesn't, it just means you're well-read and you can manipulate the word to support your views. the Bible is still a book, it can still be used for whatever the person who has it wants.

again, the Bible is a reflection of history (i say this so many times yet you never discuss it?) just as much it is an interpretation of what God says. that is something you need to keep in mind before anything else, even before jumping in with this argument that God is some babysitter who has to clarify every single little thing. we're not children who need right and wrong spelled out for us, we're supposed to make those determinations for ourselves given what information we have.

again, i could say the same for you. it doesn't make your stance any more right.

you can't??? that's the point. you have to have faith in God and that he is the truth. if you can't do that then sorry? i guess that's your problem not mine or His or anyone else's.

I'm not speaking for Him, I'm defending my beliefs. God gives us free will (also something I've said before, check the last few pages) so we may choose him over ourselves. he gives us that choice because he loves us, what's so hard to understand about that? and most Christians don't believe that. maybe most Christians you've met, but no, most don't believe that. we believe God and Jesus are the only way to salvation and in order to be with them you have to commit to that relationship. it's not as simple and radical as you've been lead to think it is.

the concept is to redeem yourself of your sins. if you don't, then oops sorry you're not going to heaven??? if said serial killers come to God and seek forgiveness and are sorry for what they've done why shouldn't they? you sound more harsh than i do there.

on the topic of being saved, sorry, again. but that's literally one of the few only clear-cut, yes/no things. there's no grey area here. you either believe or you don't believe. i mean really think about it, okay you're a decent human being so that makes you more worthy than the person who has a ****** life and is trying to make up for it but honestly puts their faith in God but you are just simply a nice person who doesn't put their faith in God? why should you go to heaven when you don't even believe and the other guy get sent to hell just cause he doesn't live the same life you live?

seriously, this argument is selfish and a bit ignorant.

oops? i don't agree with you? because the Bible isn't all sticks and stone and black and white, there are things that make you think about what was meant to be said, things that are up for debate and interpretation like the definition of what slavery meant that far back. and we don't base the entirety of our beliefs on the Bible. we read it, talk about it, talk about what God may have meant by it and put our faith in God. there are other factors that go into being Christian other than "relying on the Bible". that's what's very uneducated. you think you know an entire religion, but you don't. you're just assuming based on your own experiences. you don't know me, you don't know my practices. please refrain from pretending like you know everybody from the few jerks you've known. they don't speak for us.

your argument is against the people who abuse the Bible, albeit many things were worded in a way you could interpret different ways. i understand your argument, i'm just saying that your argument is merely biased and basic as are your points. everything you say can be up for debate and different interpretations, nothing conclusive and merely are stated just make your stance look well read. that's all it is, you're very well read.

i don't want to make claims i can't backup either, but to be fair if you're in debt that's still halfway your fault. i'm not justifying it, but it's never always one person's fault especially in things like that.

look, you seem very idealistic, but that's not how religions work. i get it if you don't believe in religions, but just because you read the main book doesn't make you an expert. if you're not part of that religion then you're not an expert.

That's not really relevant to the point I was making. Of course religion has changed over the years, christianity was a whole new religion but it involved the old testament. God sending Jesus to earth had nothing to do with changing his laws or condemning anything in the old testament.

Jesus was there to save us from the sins of the past, specifically this sins of adam and eve. it's the idea that we are all born sinners and can only go to heaven because he died no matter how good we are, just as long as we believe and accept him.

no, no, no, no, no.

the ten commandments are THE most basic laws of all basic laws and THE most basic code of ethics of all basic codes of ethics.

But you know damn well that Slavery in those times was completely different to what a slave is now. Are you that dense?

If you mean I have not been taught some christian apologetic about the bible then sure i am uneducated . Really though, my education is irrelevant, if I am wrong you should be able to show me that I am wrong.

You said that I was saying the bible was flawed because me wrote it, That's not what I was saying. I was just going with your flawed men argument.

I accuse you of cherry picking so you accuse me back but you don't back up this accusation, interesting. Anyway that wasn't what I was talking about, many of the claims in the bible do not line up with historical and scientific data and the morality in the bible is a mess. I don't claim to have disproved anything and I don't really care who is and who isn't the smartest guy here.

How awful of me! I am using what is written in the bible to support my views on what is written in the bible. I think you are misunderstanding me, I am not saying become atheists, I am saying the bible cannot be trusted (even the new testament) because it is soo flawed and can be manipulated like you said.

I don't discuss it because I do not view it as relevant. Bad morality is bad morality, your religion preaches objective morality yet it was once flawed? That makes no sense and saying "things were different then" does not solve this problem.
I'm not saying god has to do anything I am wondering why he allows terrible things to happen to people. That does not fit the christian discretion of him as an all loving benevolent being.
According to you lot we do need right and wrong spelled out for us and if we don't accept it we get in trouble. The information you have is in a book full of flaws.

the difference is the fact that I have no holy book, you are defending a book that you admit yourself is flawed and you have yet to explain to me why some passages can easily be determined as the right ones (other than the pork thing) or why the wrong ones are there to begin with.

So it's faith then? Faith that your interpretation is right and every other religious person does the same thing with a different interpretation. No I don't generally rely on faith for anything but I don't view that as a problem. How can you say others wrongfully twist gods word if all you have to validate your version of his word is faith?

and you get this information from the bible, a book full of rules. I can't argue with faith but you can't expect me to accept faith based arguments. Your faith is irrelevant to me or anyone other than yourself

I don't believe anyone deserves hell but think about it. A serial killer redeems himself and is truly sorry, he goes to heaven and I go to hell for not believing in Jesus. Now sure i never redeemed myself for that sin but his crimes were allot worse even if he is sorry, how can you justify that as moral? My crime is merely not being raised into your religion and not accepting your faith based arguments, his is murdering people.
Out of interest how do you define hell? It is not mentioned in the OT and is not really ever clearly described in the new, the fire and brimstone version is a new idea that is probably inspired by stuff from other religions.

This is a misrepresentation of what I said. I am not asking why I can't get into heaven, I am asking why I have to go to hell?

If it's all just to make you think then why do you describe allot of it as "men twisting of god words to support their beliefs"? Like Leviticus which is mostly just a list of rules, many of them are awful or just plain silly. It really can't be interpreted any other way though and all it makes you think about is how backwards some people are.

I'm not criticizing a whole religion, I am criticizing a book and certain religious idea's. You call me uneducated yet you insist on misrepresenting me constantly, why? I don't believe in your god so obviously I can't theorize about what me meant by....
Your assumptions are also based on your own experiences and I am not generalizing you or any christian.
Yes everything is up for debate. most of the stuff I say that is "clear" is just about what is written in the bible.

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It's still a form of slavery though and I am pretty sure the bible also condones actual full on slavery in the old testament, just not of jews because they are gods chosen people. As I said though, I am done quoting scripture and I could be wrong here it's a long time since I read the bible or discussed it at length.

I think you can be an expert in a religion you are not part of, not that I am claiming to be one.

yes i do.

How was it different?

I am just going to re-post my earlier response to others on this subject.

"Generally in the Catholic church divorce is not permitted (but it is legal in most countries just not recognized by them) they would view a remarriage as adultery. Other churches do permit divorce and would not, who is right and why? Remember that the bible both condemns and condones divorce."

How?

I can't answer this because its different for everyone. At the end of the day, a marriage is about teamwork I and find it stupid to give dom/sub titles based on gender. Its stupid. Do what you wanna do.