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Discussion: Why is Celine Dion being ignore between the vocal trinity?
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Originally posted by TheAqua
Celine hasn't been making any big splashes to the GP or outside of ATRL either. The ATRL populace can be extremely ignorant,but they aren't far off with Celine.It seems as if you are making Mariah out to be local,when in fact she is Queen of Asia,also Latin America Stans hard for her along with Australia, Mariah is just as global as Celine,if not more.Celine has Francophone territory over her though.
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I swear to God that I SO wanna see Mariah's numbers when all is said and done!
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Originally posted by elvenOCEAN
Celine is only ignored on ATRL. She is definitely best selling female artist (after MDNA) ever. Her discography is filled with hits! Mariah is maybe more famous in America, but worldwide, she is nowhere near Celine. Has anyone of you ever been to any of her concerts? She has one of the highest grossing tours of all time. My Heart Will Go On alone is more famous than anything Mariah's ever recorded. Now, I don't want you to think that I don't like Mariah cause I think she's along with Celine & Whitney the best singer alive, but when it comes to worldwide popularity she's behind both Celine & Whitney.
Also, personally, I think "Butterfly" is a masterpiece, but everyone I ever talked about it thought it was a boring album. People don't care about the "artistic side" of Mariah, they don't even know she writes all of her songs by herself.
I can't remember the last time I heard Mariah's song on radio, while Celine is a regular.
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Nobody is arguing that Celine isn't popular. The fact that she has sold records that are close to Mariah and Whitney speak volumes. The fact that she has had successful tours also attest to that. This is easy when you basically serve up the same kind of music, with the same kind style of singing all the time. And in spite of the fact that she has the record sales, the mass appeal, she seems to be the least important/relevant of the supposed "trinity". You can pull up any relevant greatest singers list/ top female icons/ top female superstars, and she would always be trailing behind not just Mariah and Whitney, but probably also Britney and Christina. She's the least honored with career achievement awards of the three too. It's funny how you consider Butterfly boring in relation to Celine Dion. And yes, Mariah has more recurrent hits than Celine.
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Because she's the Katy Perry in terms of likability to everyone in the group. She doesn't just appeal to one segment, she appeals to families (music is more friendly) and everyone basically which makes her "boring".
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Originally posted by THEBEASTWITHIN
I swear to God that I SO wanna see Mariah's numbers when all is said and done!
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It's all over the internet though. You can't expect casual fans to provide receipts. Mariah had a wider margin of sales over Celine if you count their sales from 90s onwards. Celine, however, started singing way before that and has had huge albums in Europe after winning a singing contest...and those numbers put her closer to Mariah.
In terms of relevance though, is this even debatable? I thought everyone knew Mariah owned the 90s and practically reaped all lifetime, end-of-decade career honors from all over the world.
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Originally posted by phreshprince
Because she's the Katy Perry in terms of likability to everyone in the group. She doesn't just appeal to one segment, she appeals to families (music is more friendly) and everyone basically which makes her "boring".
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Not really. Katy Perry has had more variety than Celine. And her likability is not because she appeals to families, but because she appeals to a wider demographic. Katy has served scandal (IKAG), humor (HnC, LFN), hiphop (DH, ET), dance pop (CG), ballads (TD, TOTGA), and power anthems (FW, Roar). This is off-topic though.
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Originally posted by Benghazi82
It's all over the internet though. You can't expect casual fans to provide receipts. Mariah had a wider margin of sales over Celine if you count their sales from 90s onwards. Celine, however, started singing way before that and has had huge albums in Europe after winning a singing contest...and those numbers put her closer to Mariah.
In terms of relevance though, is this even debatable? I thought everyone knew Mariah owned the 90s and practically reaped all lifetime, end-of-decade career honors from all over the world.
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I'm talking about Mariah's new album .
And, you're wrong, Celine has sold more records than Mariah overall .
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Originally posted by fabbriche
"Loved Me Back to Life," sold 120k first week last year in Canada alone, 1.3 million copies to date; "Sans attendre," sold 1.5 million copies which are great numbers considering there is no hype nor hit singles.
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Mariah could flop harder than that because "Chanteuse" is shaping up to be a hiphop/r&b album, which is basically irrelevant to the fan bases that she used to have in the 90s in the rest of the world. It's not necessarily a bad thing though...at least she's doing music that she loves doing.
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Originally posted by THEBEASTWITHIN
I'm talking about Mariah's new album .
And, you're wrong, Celine has sold more records than Mariah overall .
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No, you are wrong. Look it up. Best place would be wikipedia - look at the references and check the numbers.
Mariah's new album will likely be underwhelming because it sounds like a heavily hiphop-based album.
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Originally posted by Benghazi82
No, you are wrong. Look it up. Best place would be wikipedia - look at the references and check the numbers.
Mariah's new album will likely be underwhelming because it sounds like a heavily hiphop-based album.
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I don't need to . And with the bolded sentence alone I tell you : BYE!
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Celine has not sold more than Mariah let's just get that cleared up
The list goes like this in terms of sales:
Madonna
Mariah
Whitney/Celine
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Celine has definitely sold more than Mariah!
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Originally posted by THEBEASTWITHIN
I don't need to . And with the bolded sentence alone I tell you : BYE!
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wikipedia is an online encyclopedia though WITH references. You can also look up RIAA, Billboard, IFPI...but there's really no place on the web with accurate numbers. Wikpedia, however, would be a good place to start. Again, look at the references and verify the information. I don't personally know a website that keeps track of their numbers.
Another thing that you can do is look up their career awards.
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Originally posted by TheAqua
Celine hasn't been making any big splashes to the GP or outside of ATRL either. The ATRL populace can be extremely ignorant,but they aren't far off with Celine.It seems as if you are making Mariah out to be local,when in fact she is Queen of Asia,also Latin America Stans hard for her along with Australia, Mariah is just as global as Celine,if not more.Celine has Francophone territory over her though.
All that touring jazz doesn't concern Mimi because she isn't a touring artist.Yet even though Mariah was never big on touring,she still has manged to stay RELEVANT and just as commercially successful. Mariah Surpassed Whitney when Whitney started down spiriling.
Whitney isn't more global. END OF.
All that stuff about "My heart will go on" is opinion. Nothing more,nothing less.
Mariah doesn't have anything as memorable in her catalog?!?(which BTW is miles better Than Celine's) umm...Hero Says "Hello"
Also let's not forget that Mariah has the only modern day Christmas classic hit that seemingly breaks more records and increases in popularity every year.Its not Christmas until you hear it love,and that song is An iconic holiday/classic globally.
You tried with the "I love butterfly,but..." Sthick.but then tried to downplay her finest masterpiece.You constantly hear Celine on the radio more than MC?
Let me guess
You're Canadian or French?
Girl BYE
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I like Mariah but this is a BLATANT lie I've lived in Ecuador and Peru and I never heard a single Mariah song anywhere or read about her anywhere. Brazil is not all of Latin America by the way, and All I want for Christmas Is You is NOT at all relevant because Latin America does not listen to Christmas music in English, but in Spanish.
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Originally posted by THEBEASTWITHIN
Celine has definitely sold more than Mariah!
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Actually no. Mariah has a huge margin if you only count English albums, but their margin was kind of closed when her record company included her French album sales.
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Originally posted by THEBEASTWITHIN
Celine has definitely sold more than Mariah!
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She definitely has not
Mariah was bigger in the USA and Asia which is where you sold your albums by the bucket load in the 90's
Celine has Europe but not Asia or the USA
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Originally posted by exfactor003
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How do these make her any more relevant? LOL.
It's sad that despite her having an extra dimension, she's still the least relevant of the vocal trinity.
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Originally posted by Benghazi82
wikipedia is an online encyclopedia though WITH references. You can also look up RIAA, Billboard, IFPI...but there's really no place on the web with accurate numbers. Wikpedia, however, would be a good place to start. Again, look at the references and verify the information. I don't personally know a website that keeps track of their numbers.
Another thing that you can do is look up their career awards.
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I've done my researches for years and I know what I'm talking about . Billboard is not the end-all be-all . It only reflects sales in America and I know Mariah is the best selling female artist in the Soundscan era.
HOWEVER, on a WORLDWIDE basis, Celine has outsold her by AT LEAST 25 Million records ! Fact !
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