By "the rest of her mid register" are you implying her belted notes below E5 are lacking resonance If so, that's blatantly incorrect, few women in pop music can boast having more power(what I'd define as vocal weight + resonance) in their middle register than Beyonce (Notably Whitney and Barbra), and Kelly certainly isn't one of them.
If I've misinterpreted what you meant (likely the case), and you meant notes F#5 and above as "the rest of her mid register", we have a VERY different understanding of what a mid-belt is I'm pretty sure it's generally understood that the mid belting range ends somewhere around Eb5-E5, anything from F#5 up is definitely classified as an upper belt, and is generally the territory of sopranos. You can't fault a mezzo like Beyonce (or the Supreme, Barbra) for not having an extensive chest/mixed belting range beyond that territory, just like I wouldn't hold being unable to hit Bb2s or C3s against a light lyric soprano like Ariana. Exceptions exist like Mariah, who can do things well outside their vocal fach, but that's not at all a common thing.
Her head voice is certainly not lacking resonance, the only woman in pop music who regularly produced as full a sound in head voice was Whitney. This is due to the fact that the majority of women known for that section of their voices (Leona, Ariana, Christina back in the day) used falsetto to hit those notes rather than a proper head voice. Of course, it's natural for the notes at the very top of one's range to be thinner or more forced than those in their tessitura. Beyonce's tessitura extends from roughly C#3-C6, exactly three octaves. That's extremely impressive; Only Mariah Carey, Ariana Grande, Minnie Riperton and Lisa Fischer can boast having a notably wider range than that, and two of those names had to deal with very small volume output as a compromise. It's also the same territory Whitney Houston, Lara Fabian, Barbra Streisand, etc are in, with her extended range being a bit wider.
Things like texture are subjective. I'd classify it as smooth, on the darker end of the scale, with moderate volume output, and ample weight in it's lower and mid registers. Things like agility, volume output and connected range versus disconnected ranges are lost on the GP, so I understand why people can't understand what makes her instrument great/find it overrated when compared to more obvious things like a massive upper range or a raspy ("unique") tone. Still, I'd classify it as a four-star instrument in the hands of a five-star player.
I didn't mean to imply Demi was actually similar to Kelly, more so that she is someone who attempts to emulate Kelly, and falls flat the majority of the time (that I've heard her, anyway).
Again, I find terms like "The Voice", "The Voice of __" to be meaningless and unverifiable for reasons that I've stated before. Everything that I've discussed left subjectivity out of the equation and very much dealt with facts: range, volume output, resonance and things like that, which can actually be measured and quantified.
No, I wasn't saying that her notes below that region aren't resonant. She's resonant throughout the scale, but she's got more resonance in the upper part (arguably because she's a Lyric and blooms as she ascends). It's true. That's the area where she's got the most "power".
And I was faulting her at all, I simply said she doesn't have an upper register - she doesn't. F5 is still middle, technically. She's gone beyond that point, yes, but doesn't really have the coordination there the way she does in the middle register. But, another reason I find her matter of fact. There are Mezzos who transcend their general expectancy (namely Anastacia, a lower Mezzo than Beyonce)
And again, never said her head voice lacks resonance. However, she's yet to resonate an E-flat 6 Octave the way she can with C6 in emotions. Eb6 isn't a note I'd consider her in complete full control of. Her other head notes are a lot stronger than the higher 6th octave notes. Leona has accessed 6th octave notes via HV before....Christina? Thin and colourless, unarguably falsetto.
As for her texture. It's monotonous. Look at Vanessa, who can go from crystal clear texture to raspy and gritty. Her texture is dynamic. Beyonce? Simply clear. Again, to me, her voice just comes off as extremely matter of fact. Hence basic. Her voice simply isn't for me. I admire the way she uses her instrument, though. And you know what they say, the tool is only as good as the person who wields it. So, that there says something, I guess. Me personally? It's not my cup of tea. There are other voices I believe to be a bit more interesting and more dynamic than Beyonce's.
Also, @22 two's.....why would I EVER be pressed? Over Beyonce?
I really didn't mean to downplay her, I got caught off guard with the comparison. Gaga really has improved the fastest vocally and grown into this beautiful singer but at the moment, she's just a singer with a great voice. I don't think she has control or would understand half the things in that Beyonce video if you know what I mean? It's not necessarily a bad thing as the GP doesn't care for all those. They just want to hear a nice song.
I'd love to hear her attempt to sing Stronger, or Catch My Breath, even Mr Know It All.
Her attempting to sing songs in that tessitura is the equivalent of defecating the great walls of China. Don't get me wrong, Christina has a freakin' great voice, but she can't use it masterfully.
lol@"whatever technique she uses" though
And please, Christina lip syncs too. She's no exception. Kelly's the only singer of the ones you mentioned who's yet to do it@Yooorsh
Jesus Christ, ATRL needs to cool it with the Beyoncé coverage already. I love her and I think she's amazingly talented, but to call her the voice of our generation when we have greats like Christina Aguilera, P!nk, Kelly Clarkson, Demi Lovato, Adele, and even Lady Gaga who are more vocally capable than her is just absurd. She's an amazing vocalist, no doubt about it, and definitely one of the best of our generation. But there are so many better ones. A YouTube video proves absolutely nothing to me. You're going to need more receipts than that to convince me she's the vocalist of our generation.
please tell me you are kidding sis.. When has anyone regarded Demi, and Gagz as a vocalist of this generation?
Technique is how they use their voice. The voice itself is another story. Beyonce's proficiency with her instrument is at a high degree but the instrument itself is very limited...no she is NOT the voice of this generation. Talk about underwhelming. She isn't the voice of anything, ever.
LOL@people trying (fail) to objectively justify someone as the voice, a subjective phrase. And Beyonce of all people
Melly please....
"Beyonce's proficiency with her instrument is at a high degree but the instrument itself is very limited"- That makes absolutely no sense.
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No, I wasn't saying that her notes below that region aren't resonant. She's resonant throughout the scale, but she's got more resonance in the upper part (arguably because she's a Lyric and blooms as she ascends). It's true. That's the area where she's got the most "power".
A soprano voice blooms the higher it goes. Beyonce is a mezzo.
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And I was faulting her at all, I simply said she doesn't have an upper register - she doesn't. F5 is still middle, technically. She's gone beyond that point, yes, but doesn't really have the coordination there the way she does in the middle register. But, another reason I find her matter of fact. There are Mezzos who transcend their general expectancy (namely Anastacia, a lower Mezzo than Beyonce)
What a ridiculous thing to say. High belting register and upper register aren't the same thing. Beyonce isn't a high belter. That's just not the voice she has. That doesn't mean she doesn't have an upper register.
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And again, never said her head voice lacks resonance. However, she's yet to resonate an E-flat 6 Octave the way she can with C6 in emotions. Eb6 isn't a note I'd consider her in complete full control of. Her other head notes are a lot stronger than the higher 6th octave notes. Leona has accessed 6th octave notes via HV before....Christina? Thin and colourless, unarguably falsetto.
Again, she is a MEZZO soprano. She is not a soprano voice. She doesn't live on top of the staff.
On the flipside, I can easily say "I have yet to hear a high soprano sing Bb2s-C3s the way Beyonce does".
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AAs for her texture. It's monotonous. Look at Vanessa, who can go from crystal clear texture to raspy and gritty. Her texture is dynamic. Beyonce? Simply clear. Again, to me, her voice just comes off as extremely matter of fact. Hence basic. Her voice simply isn't for me. I admire the way she uses her instrument, though. And you know what they say, the tool is only as good as the person who wields it. So, that there says something, I guess. Me personally? It's not my cup of tea. There are other voices I believe to be a bit more interesting and more dynamic than Beyonce's.
That's like saying Barbra Streisand's voice is basic because her voice is almost always smooth, buttery and pure.
And Beyonce's voice has a variety of textures and sounds. It's clear in her registration. The lower voice is dark and resonant, like a lower mezzo soprano voice. The lower middle register is smooth and warm, the upper middle and higher belting alternate between brassiness and clarity, the upper register spins like a soprano voice.
I would agree that her technique is better than some of the artists I mentioned, but sometimes I feel as if she can't control her voice and it turns into what is almost a growl. I don't know. I love her, but it almost sounds like she's straining her voice a bit. She doesn't have as clear or strong of a voice as an artist like Kelly Clarkson or Christina Aguilera. That's all I'm saying.
How so? Beyonce's voice seems basic to me. Just because it's basic doesn't mean it's incapable of being put to good use. Sure, Beyonce sings well doesn't mean the voice is anything extraordinary. Makes lots of sense, actually.
How so? Beyonce's voice seems basic to me. Just because it's basic doesn't mean it's incapable of being put to good use. Sure, Beyonce sings well doesn't mean the voice is anything extraordinary. Makes lots of sense, actually.
Because a lot of vocal virtuosity deals with the manipulation of the presented sound. You said her instrument is limited. If it was, she'd be unable to display the range of dynamics she has shown, she wouldn't have a coordinated sound and she wouldn't be able to manipulate the timbre of her voice without losing quality. You may not like the sound of her voice. That doesn't make it basic or limited. It means you don't like it.
And doesnt do them justice. She simply cant touch them with her voice.
Oooop! Don't hurt 'em!
Christina's renditions of soul and R&B songs just show her limitations. It's always "HEYYYUEUEUUAOAAAOAOIAIAIAIAOAOoOooEUEUAIiYYYY YY!" That's not soul singing. That's a minstrel show.
I don't really care about that stan made title but I love her musicianship. The best part about Bey is I don't even think she's peaked yet.
While some of her peers will be singing puffs of air and croaking at 40, she'll continue to flourish as a vocalist like all the greats from decades before.
If so, that's blatantly incorrect, few women in pop music can boast having more power(what I'd define as vocal weight + resonance) in their middle register than Beyonce (Notably Whitney and Barbra), and Kelly certainly isn't one of them.
I'm pretty sure it's generally understood that the mid belting range ends somewhere around Eb5-E5, anything from F#5 up is definitely classified as an upper belt, and is generally the territory of sopranos. You can't fault a mezzo like Beyonce (or the Supreme, Barbra) for not having an extensive chest/mixed belting range beyond that territory, just like I wouldn't hold being unable to hit Bb2s or C3s against a light lyric soprano like Ariana. Exceptions exist like Mariah, who can do things well outside their vocal fach, but that's not at all a common thing.
