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Discussion: Your thoughts on abortion?
Member Since: 4/25/2012
Posts: 460
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
That baby didnt get in there by itself, if the father around he should have a choice, stop devaluing yourself man.
So hold up, natural progression of a species is punishment now?
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Being forced, against your own free will, to carry something inside of you that can cause severe complications and discomfort, is the punishment.
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Member Since: 12/25/2011
Posts: 9,073
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Originally posted by Summertime Love
Dear members of ATRL, have you ever held a baby in your arms? Do you know this feeling?
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It's NOT your ****ing body. Period.
If a woman gets raped, she should have the child? Should she look at her son/daughter and instead of feeling love she feels fear and hate? Should she look at the eyes of that child and see the man that might have ruined/ended her life? Should she live in constant hell because she had the child of her raper?
Or she should have it and then throw the kid for adoption and ruined the kids life because he probably won't find good parents and will always have the curiosity of who his real parents her? And when that kid finds out his mother was raped and he was the fruit of it?
You think it's so simple and you say you're thinking for the child, but you're are not.
If you're not female, then you have no say. THIS IS OUR ****ING RIGHTS. It's MY GODDAMN BODY AND IF I WANT TO ****ING KILL A FETUS I'LL ****ING WILL.
I assume you're a gay man, if you are, don't you want your HUMAN RIGHTS? Don't you want to be allowed to marry? Well I want rights to my ****ing body because it's MY ****ing body. It's not yours.
Unless you have a vagina, you better shut the hell up.
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Member Since: 4/25/2012
Posts: 460
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
Then should we euthanize kids born with severe cerebral palsy then? Since they are utter dependant on other humans for survival.
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The difference here is that the child with cerebral palsy is his own unique, separate individual. A fetus is not. It is effectively a part of the mother's body. And plus, people taking care of a person with cerebral palsy is usually entirely consensual, a fetus living off the mother's resources against her will is not.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 4,060
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
That baby didnt get in there by itself, if the father around he should have a choice, stop devaluing yourself man.
So hold up, natural progression of a species is punishment now?
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All I'm saying is that people who can't get pregnant shouldn't have a say in what people who can get pregnant do with their bodies.
And I should have clarified, I personally don't think natural progression of a species is a punishment, but the 'punishment' was more of a reaction to those saying that women shouldn't have sex if they don't want to get pregnant. It can definitely be seen as a punishment to them, a punishment men can't get. (which again is why men shouldn't really have a say in the abortion debate.
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Originally posted by Summertime Love
Well sistrens, to me abortion is murder. Do you know there are even abortions performed after 24 weeks of pregnancy? I just learnt about this and this is breath-taking. The most heart-breaking part is that some of them survived those abortions but still they are killed.
Have a look at this :
What do you have to say about women who repeatedly have unprotected sex, repeatedly get pregnant as a result and repeatedly abort? Do they have conscious?
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Late-term abortions happen very, very rarely and usually only if continuing the pregnancy brings risks to the pregnant women.
And yes, those women have a conscious. They do what they think is right for them at that moment.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
Posts: 12,811
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Originally posted by NathanB
Being forced, against your own free will, to carry something inside of you that can cause severe complications and discomfort, is the punishment.
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well shouldve thought about that before having sex then.
And see, thats the problem with this, there's this stupid assumption that just because men arent physically carrying the child to term that there isnt any emotional connection to it, and thats a moronic standpoint to have.
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Member Since: 4/25/2012
Posts: 460
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
well shouldve thought about that before having sex then.
And see, thats the problem with this, there's this stupid assumption that just because men arent physically carrying the child to term that there isnt any emotional connection to it, and thats a moronic standpoint to have.
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What if she was raped?
And the man can have all the emotional attachment he wants. It's not his body and so the decision simply doesn't apply to him.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 16,407
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pro choice.
the mother goes through it not you so she should decide what to do with it - and yes at that point its a 'it'
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
Posts: 15,264
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
well shouldve thought about that before having sex then.
And see, thats the problem with this, there's this stupid assumption that just because men arent physically carrying the child to term that there isnt any emotional connection to it, and thats a moronic standpoint to have.
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Yeah, let me blame you when you are infected when you are raped by someone HIV+ that you just should've used protection and you cannot take medication because you should've thought about that risk before having sex
What kind of 'logic' do you use?
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
Posts: 12,811
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Originally posted by Funhouse
All I'm saying is that people who can't get pregnant shouldn't have a say in what people who can get pregnant do with their bodies.
And I should have clarified, I personally don't think natural progression of a species is a punishment, but the 'punishment' was more of a reaction to those saying that women shouldn't have sex if they don't want to get pregnant. It can definitely be seen as a punishment to them, a punishment men can't get. (which again is why men shouldn't really have a say in the abortion debate.
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So... lemme get this straight;
If I get my girl pregnant and she doesnt want to carry the child the term, but I want the child, Youre saying that I should be at complete whim of my girl?
Or.
I get my girl pregnant, I'm a irresponsible scumbag and I don't want the kid, and I leave. However, she wants to carry the child to term AND wants me to pay child support, thats perfectly fine with you?
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
Posts: 20,022
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Originally posted by NathanB
What if she was raped?
And the man can have all the emotional attachment he wants. It's not his body and so the decision simply doesn't apply to him.
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Please read the OP sistren.
It is understandable in case of rape imo.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
Posts: 12,811
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Originally posted by BadMonster
Yeah, let me blame you when you are infected when you are raped by someone HIV+ that you just should've used protection and you cannot take medication because you should've thought about that risk before having sex
What kind of 'logic' do you use?
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Thats one of the conditions I was talking about.
Nice try though.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 4,060
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
So... lemme get this straight;
If I get my girl pregnant and she doesnt want to carry the child the term, but I want the child, Youre saying that I should be at complete whim of my girl?
Or.
I get my girl pregnant, I'm a irresponsible scumbag and I don't want the kid, and I leave. However, she wants to carry the child to term AND wants me to pay child support, thats perfectly fine with you?
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You finally get it
No but seriously, no uterus should mean no say.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 10,989
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Originally posted by ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚
I don't think abortion should be allowed at all. It's a sin to kill and take away an innocent life
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I agree with this judgement and also, if a woman got raped and she doesn't want to carry the baby, then fine. She can abort it. This is my opinion.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
Posts: 12,811
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Originally posted by NathanB
What if she was raped?
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Thats a different scenario.
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And the man can have all the emotional attachment he wants. It's not his body and so the decision simply doesn't apply to him.
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And youre a ****ing idiot.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 20,070
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I s2g, sometimes I just want to get pregnant and get an abortion and take a smiling selfie and send to all the ****ing idiots who think they have any say about what I should do to MY body.
Regardless of the reason, a woman is entitled to her own body and to make her own decision. Who are you to tell her that abortion is right but ONLY if x, y, and z. Y'all are so stupid seriously.
It's 2014, not 1414. I thought we had come a bit further than men trying to control our bodies. I guess not.
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Member Since: 4/25/2012
Posts: 460
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Quote:
Originally posted by Big Smoke
So... lemme get this straight;
If I get my girl pregnant and she doesnt want to carry the child the term, but I want the child, Youre saying that I should be at complete whim of my girl?
Or.
I get my girl pregnant, I'm a irresponsible scumbag and I don't want the kid, and I leave. However, she wants to carry the child to term AND wants me to pay child support, thats perfectly fine with you?
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Your first situation:
Yes. It's not your body and she is not your property. If she doesn't want it then it's as simple as that. You do have a say in the matter, but the ultimate decision is up to her.
As for the second situation, I do believe that that their should be some sort of protection in cases like this for the man. You shouldn't be forced to pay child support.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 4,060
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Originally posted by Sasha Pieterse
I s2g, sometimes I just want to get pregnant and get an abortion and take a smiling selfie and send to all the ****ing idiots who think they have any say about what I should do to MY body.
Regardless of the reason, a woman is entitled to her own body and to make her own decision. Who are you to tell her that abortion is right but ONLY if x, y, and z. Y'all are so stupid seriously.
It's 2014, not 1414. I thought we had come a bit further than men trying to control our bodies. I guess not.
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Member Since: 4/25/2012
Posts: 460
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Originally posted by Summertime Love
Please read the OP sistren.
It is understandable in case of rape imo.
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I wasn't talking to you though, was I?
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
Posts: 12,811
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Originally posted by Funhouse
You finally get it
No but seriously, no uterus should mean no say.
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That's sad.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
Posts: 15,264
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Originally posted by ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚
I don't think abortion should be allowed at all. It's a sin to kill and take away an innocent life
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I don't consider 12 week old fetuses life yet, because they would not survive if they are born at that moment, they aren't even fully developed yet. Also, if that is your stance you should be against euthanasia and also against masturbation or protection, cuz all those sperm cells are living things that could grow into a child.
We are not in the middle ages anymore, we should be able to decide about our own lives, I even think that if an adult really wants to die he should be given the choice and there should be a pill for that, it's our own damn lives, I can jump in front of a train or hang myself, but why traumatise others with how you do it and not just have a pill available so no one else gets hurt in the process
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