Originally posted by Big Smoke

How many 64 bit apps are there for mobile? From what I know, about 0.

a 32 bit application in a 64 bit architecture does not make it faster. Especially if youre not using enough RAM to make it even somewhat effective.
an iPhone with 32 bit guts would run the exact same way. maybe even better.


oh it'll work, you wont see any benefits to it though.

alright a practical explaination obviously isnt working, I'll just do it the long way, you know the way I learnt in my degree/do on my job daily.

When someone says that an Operating system "Operates" at 32 bit, it means that it can only use 2^32 bytes of RAM, which rounds out to a little over 4GB of RAM meaning that it can see nothing more than that. Thats where all phones and current applications operate at right now and thats all the memory addresses can access. So if you have 1GB of RAM youre well below the threshold ALREADY.

64 bit is just that, except is 2^64 which is a lot (A LOT like over 1000 GB of RAM) and this was brought in to address the limitations of 32 bit RAM shortage, as it couldnt keep up with Moore's Law. It does not deal directly with speed, It deals WITH HOW MANY MEMORY ADDRESSES CAN BE SEEN AND USED BY YOUR SOFTWARE, which in turn increases speed. if you use 1 gig of RAM youre not going to see a difference because it does not meet the 32 bit threshold. if you scale to 64bit without meeting the 32 bit threshold first youre wasting time.

lol @ Android being bloated. its highly customizable and open, and is actually used for more than just phones. As a matter of fact Apple lifted some of that "bloatware" for ios7
of course 64 bit hardware is more capable, but it still falls in the same hole. If its not being utilized it makes no cotdamn sense.
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Siri holds on because its been around longer but Google is catching up simply because Apple doesnt have enough data to make it has powerful as Now. look at the end of the graph where Siri is drooping and Now is rising.

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

Apple managed to make a huge increase, not in speed, but in how quickly applications load on the phone, with the software not being the factor here since iOS 6 is lighter than iOS 7.
The 64 bit architecture did help and it was proven by tests that it did.

I'm not saying the iPhone 5S takes full advantage, but to say the 64 bit architecture didn't help in terms of speed is just delusional. Because there are thousands of tests out there that prove it did.

Especially since the iPhone 5 and 5s have the same core speed.

Originally posted by Big Smoke

Alright man whatever.

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

You act like what you're saying makes sense.

You're saying the fastest phone should be slow because it has 1GB.
But it's the fastest phone.
And the only difference between the 5 and the 5S is the architecture.
And you just keep going back to what you know.
Which is wrong.
Because the iPhone 5S isn't slow.
The iPhone 5 was tested using a lighter OS.

With your logic, the iPhone 5 should be faster than the iPhone 5S, is that correct? No?
So stop telling me that it should be based on what you know.

Originally posted by Big Smoke

this isnt based on only what I know... This is written fact

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

I get what you are saying. But with the logic you present, the iPhone 5S would be slower than the iPhone 5. Obviously Apple have tweaked things, specially since the A7 is custom made.

Of course it doesn't have access to more memory. That's not what I'm saying. But a 64 bit processor, even on a PC with 2GB of RAM can still load information faster than a 32 bit processor.

If you look at Windows requirements, a 64 bit processor can see benefit on a computer with 2GB of RAM. Even though 32 bit can also run with 2GB.

But programs on a 64 bit processor (even with 2GB) will at least load 10% faster than 32 bit processor with the same amount of RAM installed.


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The visual I was taught in my course was, a 32 bit processor is like a boy in a library, trying to find a set number of books. The speed will help the boy go faster or slower in finding those books.
A 64 bit processor, will have several boys looking for those and of course they will find it quicker as each boy can look for a book rather than one boy look for them all.

This benefit of a 64 bit architecture is available to people with even 2GB (under the supposed 4GB or above only benefit). And on a phone with such a light OS, it's obviously seeing this benefit using 1GB (if you argue against this than the dramatic difference in speed in the 5S is unexplainable).

And of course, Quallcomm were saying it wouldn't work. Guess what they said after the scores came back?



They also went with the "not enough RAM, it's a gimmick" and they were very vocal about how they were wrong.

Originally posted by Big Smoke

Qualcomm is a business. They are going to make 64 bit chips eventually and SOON (I think they already started). Theyre saving their ass.

The books analogy is almost right. But the benefit only passes on in large scale, not small scale. It's like yes, have multiple people looking for one book, but on the entire shelf, there only one book. That's actually a waste of resources and poor memory management.