Absolutely, and if the color of my skin is a problem for you then you're a textbook racist. My ethnicity holds no relevance to the arguments I'm making, yet feminists continue seeking every reason to distract from the discussion and assume superiority over other people.
How the **** am I being a racist? Acknowledge that white privilege exists is not grounds for defining me as a racist, so get the **** right out of here. As far as I know, you were the one who even BROUGHT race up into this argument so do not try to pretend like there is a barrier that is shielding you from scrutiny here. When you are in the group that is receiving privileges, you typically do not experience the same hardships that people of color go through on a daily basis. Institutionalized forms of racism exist today, and that is a goddamn fact. It's great and all that you've went through hardships as a white person and all, and no one is attempting to dispute that, but you are privileged and you need to understand that. You have certain rights that I do not have, and that is a fact. The statistics back it up as well.
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But since that's a problem for you, let me put it into another context: I feel privileged as a gay person. I'm eligible for a multitude of things my straight friends aren't, scholarships included. People generally pay more attention to me, for better or for worse, because of my sexuality. It offers a platform and I've learned to use it to my advantage.
You are definitely misusing the word privileged here, because as far as I know, in a plethora of nations, there is still a stigma against gay people (usually in a confession resulting in death), and there are combatants against the LGBT community that results in malicious hate crimes and the like. The reason you feel privileged is not because you actually are, it's because society has been against you for years and you have finally been able to reap amounts of relevance allowing you to receive some privileges that heterosexual people already have ownership of.
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I understand the argument that overall being gay can be a disadvantage, but again this is where the complexity of the human experience and social dynamics comes into play. Race, religion, or anything else is the same. Life is too complicated to be simplified into "advantages" and "disadvantages," and if you disagree then I seriously doubt the amount of experience you have in the real world.
I know that. I'm not an idiot. It's only natural that people have their own dissenting viewpoints, and you don't have to constantly state that idea here. If you think that you cannot have a conversation about the morality of certain controversial topics because of this element of dissent, then you are simply acknowledging that there is a problem there rather than analyzing the societal institutions in place that allow these incidents to occur.
lol whatever you say Ties. Looks like I pissed you off and I'm bored now. Y'all can keep scaring people away from your extremists views, I honestly dgaf. Deuces dude
Absolutely, and if the color of my skin is a problem for you then you're a textbook racist. My ethnicity holds no relevance to the arguments I'm making, yet feminists continue seeking every reason to distract from the discussion and assume superiority over other people.
But since that's a problem for you, let me put it into another context: I feel privileged as a gay person. I'm eligible for a multitude of things my straight friends aren't, scholarships included. People generally pay more attention to me, for better or for worse, because of my sexuality. It offers a platform and I've learned to use it to my advantage.
I understand the argument that overall being gay can be a disadvantage, but again this is where the complexity of the human experience and social dynamics comes into play. Race, religion, or anything else is the same. Life is too complicated to be simplified into "advantages" and "disadvantages," and if you disagree then I seriously doubt the amount of experience you have in the real world.
lol whatever you say Ties. Looks like I pissed you off and I'm bored now. Deuces dude
"I have nothing else to add to the conversation, so rather than conceding that the points I have made are ignorant of my first point, I will hit the "Sign Out" button on the right hand side of the page."
"I have nothing else to add to the conversation, so rather than conceding that the points I have made are ignorant of my first point, I will hit the "Sign Out" button on the right hand side of the page."
Obviously if you don't give a **** of what I have to say, then perhaps you should stop hitting that reply button to any of my posts.
I have done nothing but respond in a cordial manner to all of your points and rather than fueling healthy debate you regress back to elementary forms of banter.
It's documented that patriarchy's most powerful retaliation against feminism is to distract supporters by returning focus back to the issues of men.
Men have issues, I know, I am one. But women have more issues. Historically, culturally, sexually, maternally - in every way. If you argue that then there's no way you have read or understood any academic, agreed upon theories of what feminism is. (hint: equality)
Obviously if you don't give a **** of what I have to say, then perhaps you should stop hitting that reply button to any of my posts.
I have done nothing but respond in a cordial manner to all of your points and rather than fueling healthy debate you regress back to elementary forms of banter.
I actually disengaged because you started to get hostile. Also, it's real mature how you slap that Oprah gif at the end of every post to remind us you're just so frustrated. A hypocritical feminist? What else is new.
I actually disengaged because you started to get hostile. Also, it's real mature how you slap that Oprah gif at the end of every post to remind us you're just so frustrated. A hypocritical feminist? What else is new.
Please don't take my usage of the word "****" as anything but me being passionate about the subject. I wasn't being hostile in the slightest, I was engaging in healthy discussion over a topic that hits right home, and hopefully you can understand that.
But please man, don't call me an extremist or racist when I'm neither of those things, I've given you nothing but elaborate responses illustrating my ideas rather than drive by posts eliciting negative responses from you. I have never degraded or scrutinized your opinion because of whom you are, I scrutinized it because I felt like the logic is off and it goes against established figures in academia.
if you are a feminist then you should also support a man's right to have his unborn child aborted
and if the woman refuses then she yields support from the father and he is freed from having to pay programs such as child support
if you are a feminist then you should also support a man's right to have his unborn child aborted
and if the woman refuses then she yields support from the father and he is freed from having to pay programs such as child support
equality you should believe in
Guess you haven't attended any ethics lessons (yet, I hope). Unfortunately biology favors the women when it comes to maternal instincts and the process of human creation. I can't believe how clueless and misogynist that comment is. This thread makes me want to quit ATRL just to avoid talking to ya'll. It's only cute to "stan" if you're intelligent as well.
Guess you haven't attended any ethics lessons (yet, I hope). Unfortunately biology favors the women when it comes to maternal instincts and the process of human creation. I can't believe how clueless and misogynist that comment is. This thread makes me want to quit ATRL just to avoid talking to ya'll. It's only cute to "stan" if you're intelligent as well.
oh so you are saying men and women have different instincts and therefore are held to different standards but here you are advocating that women should have the same rights as men but not vice versa
a hypocritical mess, nowadays a child affects a men's life just as much as women and he should have the right to yield just as much as a woman does
oh so you are saying men and women have different instincts and therefore are held to different standards but here you are advocating that women should have the same rights as men but not vice versa
a hypocritical mess, nowadays a child affects a men's life just as much as women and he should have the right to yield just as much as a woman does
No that's not what I'm saying but it was nice of you to try. I'm saying that men and women should be treated the same, not that they are the same. A man has to decide if he wants the baby or not, the woman has to decide if she wants to undergo surgery and kill what is actually a part of her own body via the fallopian tube.
I do think that it should be equal, but it's just a useless, unresolvable argument because the biology of human birth is in the hands of the women.
Solaris is a mess. Getting all "offended" because someone dares to point out that there is far more to life than affirmative action, and to suggest that white people are "envious" of minorities because of it is ludicrous and is a clear indication of his ignorance to the oppression, destructive prejudice etc. that minorities face.
How about thinking why affirmative action exists, eh?
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oh so you are saying men and women have different instincts and therefore are held to different standards but here you are advocating that women should have the same rights as men but not vice versa
a hypocritical mess, nowadays a child affects a men's life just as much as women and he should have the right to yield just as much as a woman does
Since when do men carry children for nine months then give birth to them? When you can answer that question, I'll take this argument seriously.
Guess you haven't attended any ethics lessons (yet, I hope). Unfortunately biology favors the women when it comes to maternal instincts and the process of human creation. I can't believe how clueless and misogynist that comment is. This thread makes me want to quit ATRL just to avoid talking to ya'll. It's only cute to "stan" if you're intelligent as well.
Maternal is exclusive to mothers, paternal to fathers.
I believe in equality for all but I wouldn't campaign for it nor call myself a feminist.
My personal experience of feminists and high profile ones in the media isn't very positive. A lot of them are incredibly hypocritical. For example a topless woman would get feminists riled up and say that 'men are objectifying women as boobs rather than a person' but would have no problem looking at topless men and commenting on how good looking they are. It works both ways. Also (again generalising), feminists want equality but then why don't fathers get as much time in paternity leave as mothers do in maternity leave.
I hate how men and women have certain 'responsibilities' in life, if men and women should be equal (and they should) it works both ways. Why is a man expected to give his seat up to a woman on a train? Why should men to be expected to pay for dates etc.? Why is a man expected to work whilst a mother initially looks after a baby?
In regards to pay, imo I believe it's down to historical reasons. Most of the high-paid jobs (were there a lot fewer women than men) require time and experience to work your way up to those positions. These people come from a time when women weren't treated AS equally as they are now so there was less opportunity and education for women of that era to get into working there way up to these jobs.
Seeing as I'm a gay man, and gay men are oppressed by society, much like women are, so there's no reason why I shouldn't be a feminist. I'm more of a humanist, but I don't mind the feminist label. We all need to empower each other. Male, female, trans, straight, gay or whatever.
Humanism doesn't have anything to do with gender equality, actually. The word you're looking for is 'egalitarian'.
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This thread makes me want to quit ATRL just to avoid talking to ya'll. It's only cute to "stan" if you're intelligent as well.