Of course.

Isn't that exactly what homophobes say when we criticize their bigoted opinions?

this response = why trying to open a serious dialogue with folks who don't understand/adhere to feminist ideology is so excruciating, in a nutshell

+1

Literally anyone that says they aren't a feminist believe women should not be equal to men. Disgusting if you ask me.

Feminism is not about believing women should have more over men. Will some of you stop being so obnoxious and holding that notion? I'll say it again. Feminism is about believing women should be equal to men.

Wait... Hold up hold up hold up.

Where to start? men havent had it hard in history?

In all the tribes in history, who went out hunting for food, fighting messed up weather, and god knows what was out there at that time to feed the family? What you thought that ish was cute?

In all the wars in history, what gender was the soldiers that went out fight and straight up lose their life for their country? and to defend who?

Never heard of female field slaves either. ( I might be wrong tho)

Whats the protocol in any evacuation situation you've ever heard of? I've never heard "SAVE THE MEN AND CHILDREN FIRST!!!"

Which gender has to express chivalry?

When an estranged couple as a child, who has to pay child support + alimony every month, and if they miss a month, they get jailed, in most instances?

Which gender has NO say in the well being of an unborn child?

Which gender is pretty much deemed as somehow shielded from being a victim of domestic violence?

I can go on, but basically what I'm trying to say is that youre talking a load of crock, and is this crock is why I can never back today's so called feminism. Its too disgustingly radical, and anyone who backs it I question their sanity.

Yes, I'm a female of course I am. Any woman who says she isn't is really ignorant.


And yasss at Ties clocking and dragging for filth

Sis GOODBAH. We are not bringing up prehistoric mess into this conversation because that is irrelevant. It is also known that equality is a palpable characteristic in hunter and gatherer based tribes.


Sis, GOODBAH.
http://www.army.mil/women/newera.html


You sure?

This stereotype arose because women were seen as needing protection rather than as autonomous people capable of saving themselves, by the way.

http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawr.../332/mccoy.pdf


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What even is this? It's the woman's body, not yours.

There's a reason for this:

Ad hominem
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem

I wonder who made up those rules? Oh wait, men did.

Don't get me started on child support/who has rights over the child either.

I will say, I like it when a guy opens the door for me though.

I understand privilege fine, I just think it's a gross oversimplification of the ridiculously complex social dynamics that compose society. It's also a narrow minded perspective relative to the size of and diversity of the world. An argument that western society sometimes treats white people better means nothing to the white people that are victims of hate crimes in Asia. On top of that, with affirmative actions measures being so common, minorities often experience special privileges that white people are downright envious of.

The problem with your metaphor is that life isn't like a video game and there aren't difficulty settings. I'm a gay white dude and I had a ludicrously horrible childhood due in absolutely no part to being gay. Alternatively, racial minorities can win scholarships and college admissions over white people in the US. And alternatively again, this racial dynamic radically changes in other parts of the world.

You can't boil the way our world works down to a flat concept like "privilege." That's the bottom line.

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I am Asian. I can tell you that white people are revered in the society over there, especially with the common notion that "the lighter the skin, the more attractive you are." Seriously, it's not a "gross oversimplification," white privilege exists on all corners of the globe and that is indisputable fact.
Did you just say that marginalized people benefit more than white people?
http://californiawatch.org/dailyrepo...larships-12525
http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/2...holarships.pdf
Are you telling me that white privilege doesn't exist as a white man?

Also let me point out that this is why nobody likes feminists. Because you guys have no concept of engaging in a civil discussion and instead mask your hilariously weak arguments by writing off everyone who disagrees with you as "privileged," "disgusting" or "not understanding feminism." You radically misconstrue simple concepts to make everyone who isn't "one of you" look horrible, and you just look like a bunch of kids with too much time on their hands. You guys know damn well most of modern society believes men and women are of equal worth and value, yet most of us don't claim feminism because of people like you.

So, you're making generalizations in order to justify detrimental stereotypes?

I believe that members of both sexes should be treated equally, so yes.

My beiber, the statement was that throuout history men have had it easy which is obviously not true. not to mention that you contradicted yourself by pulling up stats about laws to disprove me, when the same feminists that complain about "rape culture". Even though there are laws that prevent rape.

not necessarily, it was based on the physical and mental capabilities of the man and woman that determined their responsibilities. Men are stronger, they do work, women had the main sustenance for babies so they stayed home.

And I think abortion should be a mutual decision, granted some exceptions of course.

lol this made me chuckle little bit.

Bruh, that's been the direction of the whole damn thread.

You just did it two posts up.

Absolutely, and if the color of my skin is a problem for you then you're a textbook racist. My ethnicity holds no relevance to the arguments I'm making, yet feminists continue seeking every reason to distract from the discussion and assume superiority over other people.

But since that's a problem for you, let me put it into another context: I feel privileged as a gay person. I'm eligible for a multitude of things my straight friends aren't, scholarships included. People generally pay more attention to me, for better or for worse, because of my sexuality. It offers a platform and I've learned to use it to my advantage.

I understand the argument that overall being gay can be a disadvantage, but again this is where the complexity of the human experience and social dynamics comes into play. Race, religion, or anything else is the same. Life is too complicated to be simplified into "advantages" and "disadvantages," and if you disagree then I seriously doubt the amount of experience you have in the real world.

Men have had it easy throughout history.

And I don't recall stating that laws against rape eradicate rape culture anywhere in my post. Stop trying to draw parallels when there are none.
So, you concede that men are seen as physically and mentally more able, allowing for these stereotypes of "maintaining chivalry" and "saving the men, not the women" true? Okay, moving on.
Obviously.

I'm not gay or white but I agree with this.

Jesus Christ .

I got work in a couple hours, I'll pick this up later.