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Discussion: How legendary are Britney and Beyonce
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Originally posted by bijonse
Britney Spears was a teen idol like Justin Bieber or One Direction today and her stans seem to have on rose colored glasses thinking that her fame in those 3 or 4 years and the media attention that she got during her breakdown made her a legend. It didn't. Her music is not legendary, her image is not original and the only people looking up to her are her fellow Disney stars.
Beyoncé isn't all the way there yet but give her time and she will be at the rate she's going
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Call me when JB and 1D have their BOMT and Oops as well as their coming of age and breaking away from the teen scene songs like Slave, Toxic, MATM, Gimme More. Let alone Legendary performances.

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Originally posted by Timber
Makes sense though. Just like how they won't be playing Justin Bieber's music in 10 years.
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This is all due to the Radio ban 
which ended right when Toxic was released and is still played on radio. Similar thing happened to Madonna.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Lol.
Look at Marilyn Monroe. Elvis Presley. Princess Diana. Michael Jackson. INDISPUTABLE legends of pop culture, and ask yourself who's story is closer to theirs? Britney (Extreme Success, Huge Downfall, Media Firestorm, Everyone knows her story)? or Beyonce (Extreme Success)?
Britney is the Marilyn to Beyonce's Kate Hepburn
She is the Princess Diana to Beyonce's Princess Fergie
She is the Michael Jackson to Beyonce's Prince.
She is the Lucille Ball to Beyonce's Vivian Vance
Now siT.
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Marilyn Monroe - respected Golden Globe-winning actress who built her own film production company and was one of the first women to take control of her own career in a time when actors/actresses were controlled by film production companies.
Princess Diana - respected public figure known for various acts of charity
Michael Jackson - respected music artist who changed the music model with music videos, choreography & structure of music. influences 99% of all male pop artists and some female pop artists as well.
their stories are more than just becoming tabloid fodder and their "downfalls". they had respect, acclaim, MAJOR success expanded over more than just 4 or 5 years, and made game changing moves alongside big sales. pls stop.
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Originally posted by dirrtydiana
Call me when JB and 1D have their BOMT and Oops as well as their coming of age and breaking away from the teen scene songs like Slave, Toxic, MATM, Gimme More. Let alone Legendary performances.

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what legendary performances? I'll give you the slave 4 u at the vmas and Madonna kiss but other than that.... ???? yes she was an amazing performer but...
and one direction and JB did have their major break out songs like baby one more time (one time/one thing) and the other songs sans toxic arent nearly as "legendary" or "iconic" as atrl thinks
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
Marilyn Monroe - respected Golden Globe-winning actress who built her own film production company and was one of the first women to take control of her own career in a time when actors/actresses were controlled by film production companies.
Princess Diana - respected public figure known for various acts of charity
Michael Jackson - respected music artist who changed the music model with music videos, choreography & structure of music. influences 99% of all male pop artists and some female pop artists as well.
their stories are more than just becoming tabloid fodder and their "downfalls". they had respect, acclaim, MAJOR success expanded over more than just 4 or 5 years, and made game changing moves alongside big sales. pls stop.
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Some don't seem to get that 
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britney was never a big enough phenomenon to be on Marilyn Monroes level 
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Originally posted by bijonse
what legendary performances? I'll give you the slave 4 u at the vmas and Madonna kiss but other than that.... ???? yes she was an amazing performer but...
and one direction and JB did have their major break out songs like baby one more time (one time/one thing) and the other songs sans toxic arent nearly as "legendary" or "iconic" as atrl thinks
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And the Oops performance. That's at least 3. When will others' faves?
Honey, there's a world outside of ATRL, you know?
Everyone has a break out song. Whenever, Wherever, Genie In a Bottle, Crazy in Love, but when will any others' faves have a song chart at #1 literally everywhere in the world, where it charted? Sell MILLIONS of copies, and be remembered and used a decade and a half after being released?
Let me not get started about music videos.

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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
Marilyn Monroe - respected Golden Globe-winning actress who built her own film production company and was one of the first women to take control of her own career in a time when actors/actresses were controlled by film production companies.
Princess Diana - respected public figure known for various acts of charity
Michael Jackson - respected music artist who changed the music model with music videos, choreography & structure of music. influences 99% of all male pop artists and some female pop artists as well.
their stories are more than just becoming tabloid fodder and their "downfalls". they had respect, acclaim, MAJOR success expanded over more than just 4 or 5 years, and made game changing moves alongside big sales. pls stop.
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Originally posted by Ressti
Some don't seem to get that 
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This all sounds like Britney to me
FTR I am not in this thread to discredit Bey.
Unlike her bandwagon stans who are blind and will believe everything they're told like the GP trying to discredit Brit ha legend status 
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beyonce nothing at all. Britney just a little bit
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Originally posted by bijonse
britney was never a big enough phenomenon to be on Marilyn Monroes level 
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Delusion, Britney was a global pop phenomenon, she was EVERYWHERE and if you believe otherwise you are just ignorant.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
Marilyn Monroe - respected Golden Globe-winning actress who built her own film production company and was one of the first women to take control of her own career in a time when actors/actresses were controlled by film production companies.
Princess Diana - respected public figure known for various acts of charity
Michael Jackson - respected music artist who changed the music model with music videos, choreography & structure of music. influences 99% of all male pop artists and some female pop artists as well.
their stories are more than just becoming tabloid fodder and their "downfalls". they had respect, acclaim, MAJOR success expanded over more than just 4 or 5 years, and made game changing moves alongside big sales. pls stop.
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Weren't the Beyoncé stans just yesterday discrediting Marilyn Monroe's legacy and trying to call her an icon in that "What made Marilyn Monroe a legend thread?" Don't grasp at and hide behind an artist your stanbase regularly throws to the wolves. The Beystans even argued against the Britney stans that Marilyn wasn't the first/most important to do anything you posted. Get out of here with this blatant transparency
Princess Diana was a figurehead who tried to branch out through charity. Again, she's another celebrity whom Beyonce stans would normally shoot down saying she was "manufactured." Why are you riding her coattails in this thread?
Michael Jackson - Didn't change music videos. He created the epic music video. The rest I agree with (except with the structure of music).
You put these stars up against Britney and what Britney is infamous for is the Lolita image and the subsequent dirty phase followed by a massive breakdown and comeback. I can give you all kinds of small things she did like the popularization of dubstep (first on major label music in 2007 and then as a viable top 40 option in 2011), the revival of a new wave of teen-pop (that mixed R&B with Bubblegum-pop), etc. but let's compare Beyonce with the same standards. What has Beyonce done new in the industry? 
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Britney is not a legend. Sorry, but she burned her own house down. She'll be remembered as a pop icon and just that. There's an amount of respect that comes with being a legend and Britney just doesn't have that. #sorrynotsorry.
I'm not beyonce stan but she has all this ambition and talent that's an indication that her career will extend for a lot longer than the 7 years of activity Britney had as a decent performer. Britney produced big hits and that's as far as it goes. There's nothing about her exterior that makes her legendary. Even a lot of her performances are overrated.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Weren't the Beyoncé stans just yesterday discrediting Marilyn Monroe's legacy and trying to call her an icon in that "What made Marilyn Monroe a legend thread?" Don't grasp at and hide behind an artist your stanbase regularly throws to the wolves. The Beystans even argued against the Britney stans that Marilyn wasn't the first/most important to do anything you posted. Get out of here with this blatant transparency
Princess Diana was a figurehead who tried to branch out through charity. Again, she's another celebrity whom Beyonce stans would normally shoot down saying she was "manufactured." Why are you riding her coattails in this thread?
Michael Jackson - Didn't change music videos. He created the epic music video. The rest I agree with (except with the structure of music).
You put these stars up against Britney and what Britney is infamous for is the Lolita image and the subsequent dirty phase followed by a massive breakdown and comeback. I can give you all kinds of small things she did like the popularization of dubstep (first on major label music in 2007 and then as a viable top 40 option in 2011), the revival of a new wave of teen-pop (that mixed R&B with Bubblegum-pop), etc. but let's compare Beyonce with the same standards. What has Beyonce done new in the industry? 
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Thisss
Britney is the major force and is credited for reviving teen pop.
And in before "releasing an unannounced album."
-Everyone knew 5 was coming and then it was announced that it was "pushed back/scrapped"
-SuperBowl
-WW Tour
-Pepsi
-H&M
All promotion 
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"Can anybody compare to these two"
Yes, Christina Aguilera can.
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The delusion in this thread.
You can't say one is a legend and the other isn't. Both have made major contributions to the industry.
It's a shame that Beyoncé stans feel the need to tear down and discredit other artists to lift their fave up.
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Lol @ the revival of new age teen pop. I guess the backstreet boys, Robyn and the spice girls didn't exist before 1998 then, or....
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Originally posted by HďFidelity
Lol @ the revival of new age teen pop. I guess the backstreet boys, Robyn and the spice girls didn't exist before 1998 then, or....
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Robyn never really did teen pop and The Backstreet Boys and Spice Girls were both groups, which were pretty common at the time. There weren't any solo female artists doing teen pop at the time, really, and after Britney came around every label started pushing solo female artists like Christina, Jessica Simpson, P!nk, Mandy Moore, etc.
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Originally posted by geddymonster
Robyn never really did teen pop and The Backstreet Boys and Spice Girls were both groups, which were pretty common at the time. There weren't any solo female artists doing teen pop at the time, really, and after Britney came around every label started pushing solo female artists like Christina, Jessica Simpson, P!nk, Mandy Moore, etc.
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Lol, wtf? How is Show Me Love and Do You Know any less teen pop than any song in BOMT? It's literally the exact same sound and production methods.
I don't care what type of act they were, the fact that anyone would attribute the popularity to the recurring sound of new wave To Britney is truly hilarious, but ignorance is indeed bliss. You can say Britney started the trend of blonde white girls bearing mid drifts but the type of music being drafted by Max Martin for her wasn't a game changer, considering he had been popularizing that sound 3 years prior to Britney even hitting the scene with other acts such as Robyn, BSB and NSync.
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Originally posted by HďFidelity
Lol, wtf? How is Show Me Love and Do You Know any less teen pop than any song in BOMT? It's literally the exact same sound and production methods.
I don't care what type of act they were, the fact that anyone would attribute the popularity to the recurring sound of new wave To Britney is truly hilarious, but ignorance is indeed bliss. You can say Britney started the trend of blonde white girls bearing mid drifts but the type of music being drafted by Max Martin for her wasn't a game changer, considering he had been popularizing that sound 3 years prior to Britney even hitting the scene with other acts such as Robyn, BSB and NSync.
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That "trend of blonde white girls" led to the creation of some of today's biggest stars, so I would say that her influence was pretty strong. Do you think artists like Christina and P!nk ever would have seem the light of day if Britney hadn't started that "trend"? She had enough influence on the industry to get pretty much every major label to sign solo, female, pop artists.
And Show Me love is eurodance and Do You Know is europop, technically. ...Baby One More Time is actual teen pop.
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Originally posted by BPD
"Can anybody compare to these two"
Yes, Christina Aguilera can.
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Maybe now, but in 50 years I think she will be more of an after-thought.
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