I should try this

Just ask them about their feelings on ART's place in POP culture and tell them you'd like to go on a reverse Warholian expedition together. That always gets the ball rolling for me.

smh

What if I ask if they liked Lady Gaga's ARTPOP?

What it he's a Madonna stan and he drags Gaga? Then he'll think he's an old tired Gaga queen who's into wearing striped socks.