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Fan Base: Archived: Lady Gaga (#2)
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by blaggot
good god  it seems like she's completely lost her fun and carefree side |
She's dragged constantly for anything she does.
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Originally posted by toanythingtaboo
I would also say that she's probably frustrated that she tried in so many ways to give fans what they wanted, and then they turned around and spat on it. I get the impression ARTPOP became increasingly about pandering more than making what she truly wanted to make.
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littlemonsters.com and what it stands for (her 'connecting'/getting close with the fans) is truly the source of all problems. It ruined her personality and artistry, she now acts like one of her own fans instead of the smart and mature and cool woman back then, and has developed a similar tasteless.. taste
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by BadMonster
Had TFM been released now, as a follow up to BTW, it would've been dragged for multiple reasons, I'm sure of it...
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I definitely agree.
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Why would TFM be dragged? The songs were well produced, had good pleasant vocals that were NOT grating and annoying, had good non embarrassing/cringe worthy lyrics.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by blaggot
good god it seems like she's completely lost her fun and carefree side |
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Gaga I know you're going to be upset
'Cause you thought I was always your little boy
But you should know by now
I'm not a baby
You always preached us right from wrong
Don't need your help, come on please be strong
I may be young at heart
But I know what I'm saying
The flop we warned you all about
The one you said you would do without
You're in an awful mess, and I don't mean maybe - please
[Chorus:]
Gaga don't preach, you're in trouble deep
Gaga don't preach, I've been losing sleep
But you made up your mind, you're releasing your baby, oh
you're gonna release your baby, mmm...
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 7,282
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Originally posted by geemarty
She's dragged constantly for anything she does.
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she is. I just miss the days where she would respond to all the s*** talking through her performances and her live shows instead of opening herself up to more dragging by posting online
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by slobro
Why would TFM be dragged? The songs were well produced, had good pleasant vocals that were NOT grating and annoying, had good non embarrassing/cringe worthy lyrics.
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Because that's just where Gaga's career is at right now. If she released Bad Romance tomorrow it would already have a negative feeling around it just because she's singing it.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 23,488
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Originally posted by BadMonster
Gaga is dragging her fans on LM.com 
The text with the red X through it was posted by a trolling Monster on LM.com, Gaga replied to it and now the member is apologizing with the post below |
I CAN'T BREATH
WHAT THE F*** DID I JUST READ 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by BadMonster
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what in the world
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by BadMonster
^^ I do feel fans are a lot more critical than before the BTW era, if she had released ARTPOP in BTW's stead it would've been received a lot better and would've probably been received better than BTW as well.... Fans are expecting more than they used to because they romanticize her past and the past eras...
Reminiscing about the past and past looks a lot of Monsters now drag those looks and ideas when they were celebrating them back then.... Today's looks aren't celebrated now and criticized later, but criticized right away, cuz they are in a more negative/demanding mind set and she's not living up to the romanticized idea of her past success when she's just changed things up.... Had TFM been released now, as a follow up to BTW, it would've been dragged for multiple reasons, I'm sure of it.... Some of the songs that are now her most popular hits would've been dragged for being basic/unrelatable/try-hard/reductive etc... I'm not sure if I was clear enough and made my point, but I hope I was
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I agree 100% 
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by BadMonster
Gaga is dragging her fans on LM.com
The text with the red X through it was posted by a trolling Monster on LM.com, Gaga replied to it and now the member is apologizing with the post below |
GOD. I hate this GODDESS OF LOVE persona 
I want the bad bitch back. Not this weak thing
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by blaggot
she is. I just miss the days where she would respond to all the s*** talking through her performances and her live shows instead of opening herself up to more dragging by posting online
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I really hope her next album has the theme of no longer letting herself be a victim. DWUW was supposed to be that song for her but her actions online haven't really helped spread that message.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by toanythingtaboo
It must be damn tough to face the amount of negativity she does, and artists are notoriously sensitive because they're offering something they've created up for judgement. So, I don't blame her for having a bruised ego and burying her head in the sand a wee bit. It's not that her success is poor, but expectation is so high.
It's obvious that she/her label underestimated the damage and what had to be done to combat it. Bar two co-writing credits, there are no hitmakers on ARTPOP which seems pretty complacent considering. I think she thought all she had to do was be less dark and now she's a bit taken a back that she isn't as on top of the Fame Game as she thought. Her people probably agreed until relatively late in the game (2013) and then decided she'd go urban just to be safe...getting Kendrick and Azealia on board, picking DWUW off the cutting floor and chucking R Kelly on it because his new album was coming out, creating JN'D and chucking on T.i, Twista and Too $hort.
I wouldn't be surprised if things got tense between her and Troy because of this creative meddling, but she went along with it thinking it'd help make ARTPOP a success, and when it didn't work...she and Troy really fought, resulting in her firing him or whatever. Her Dope love, to me, seems very 'FU' to him/interferers.
So, the resentment of all that combined with her being frustrated that in reality ART and POP struggle belonging together in the commercial world, has meant a distancing from the album (which isn't really what she wanted it to be - TFM's ravey little sister, anyone?!). Her #ARTPOP stuff and the return to the studio makes me think she's going to try again and make ART and POP work to prove her point. Who knows, though.
I would also say that she's probably frustrated that she tried in so many ways to give fans what they wanted, and then they turned around and spat on it. I get the impression ARTPOP became increasingly about pandering more than making what she truly wanted to make.
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Spot on! There's really nothing left to add.
Now, keeping that in mind, do you think there's gonna be another single from ARTPOP? I'm having mixed feelings tbh. Just last week she posted the photo of the folder with ARTPOP plans, which makes me think, there's still some hope, but at the same time, looking at what's happening for the least 5-6 weeks, it really leaves little hope that it's still not over for ARTPOP.
And people here, not monsters, but in general, are dragging her for selling 7k last week (and most probably the same this week), are just, well, how do I put this, intellectually dishonest LOL.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by BadMonster
^^ I do feel fans are a lot more critical than before the BTW era, if she had released ARTPOP in BTW's stead it would've been received a lot better and would've probably been received better than BTW as well.... Fans are expecting more than they used to because they romanticize her past and the past eras...
Reminiscing about the past and past looks a lot of Monsters now drag those looks and ideas when they were celebrating them back then.... Today's looks aren't celebrated now and criticized later, but criticized right away, cuz they are in a more negative/demanding mind set and she's not living up to the romanticized idea of her past success when she's just changed things up.... Had TFM been released now, as a follow up to BTW, it would've been dragged for multiple reasons, I'm sure of it.... Some of the songs that are now her most popular hits would've been dragged for being basic/unrelatable/try-hard/reductive etc... I'm not sure if I was clear enough and made my point, but I hope I was
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this exactly! I think if BTW and ARTPOP had switched places it would've worked out a lot better, since ARTPOP's heavy electronic influence was more prevalent in pop back in 2011 and now that pop has diversified BTW's rock influence would probably have been received better these days
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Originally posted by geemarty
Because that's just where Gaga's career is at right now. If she released Bad Romance tomorrow it would already have a negative feeling around it just because she's singing it.
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Bad Romance might have been dragged a bit nowadays because of the weird vocals in the verses and the aversion towards her atm, but songs like DITD, Telephone, Monster, So Happy I Could Die, Alejandro would've been praised no matter what.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by slobro
Why would TFM be dragged? The songs were well produced, had good pleasant vocals that were NOT grating and annoying, had good non embarrassing/cringe worthy lyrics.
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Because it isn't 2009/10 anymore.
Even tho her weird lyrics were praised back then, people would obviously drag her for filth especially Bad Romance 
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Originally posted by slobro
Bad Romance might have been dragged nowadays because of the weird vocals in the verses (how ironic), but songs like DITD, Telephone, Monster, So Happy I Could Die, Alejandro would've been praised no matter what.
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People would receive them like GUY, Gypsy, Sexxx Dreams, MANiCUre etc but wouldn't praise them as much as in 2009
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Meowster
Spot on analysis.
I think a lot of what you said is very true and I hope she gets to make like ARTPOP: Gaga's Cut or something because I don't want her to be dissatisfied with something she created. Make's me kind of sad that Do What U Want (and even Applause) seem like last minute additions. I don't even think she really loves Do What U Want that much - hence her just moving on like it never happened. Really sad.. |
I mean, I'm not trying to move all "blame" onto others, nor am I saying that if others hadn't meddled it would be more successful...but I truly doubt the ARTPOP we got is what she wanted it to be.
I don't blame her for disowning DWUW. She had it on the cutting room floor, then people (probably) intervened with R Kelly's inclusion, convinced/decided it would be a single once it blew up, which in turn pushed aside her producing/writing debut with Venus, it probably factored into her firing longterm manager and friend, then it began to struggle, then there was a blatantly not-Gaga's-idea remix with Rick Ross which did nothing, then the video turned into a mess, then R Kelly's personal scandal tarnished it, then she fulfilled fans wishes by collabing with Christina which didn't equate to much in the end, and now she's left with a sort-of hit that she was kind of forced to love because everyone else seemed to love it...but didn't really buy.
Talk about a mixed bag.
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Originally posted by BadMonster
^^ I do feel fans are a lot more critical than before the BTW era, if she had released ARTPOP in BTW's stead it would've been received a lot better and would've probably been received better than BTW as well.... Fans are expecting more than they used to because they romanticize her past and the past eras...
Reminiscing about the past and past looks a lot of Monsters now drag those looks and ideas when they were celebrating them back then.... Today's looks aren't celebrated now and criticized later, but criticized right away, cuz they are in a more negative/demanding mind set and she's not living up to the romanticized idea of her past success when she's just changed things up.... Had TFM been released now, as a follow up to BTW, it would've been dragged for multiple reasons, I'm sure of it.... Some of the songs that are now her most popular hits would've been dragged for being basic/unrelatable/try-hard/reductive etc... I'm not sure if I was clear enough and made my point, but I hope I was
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Whilst everyone DEFINITELY romanticises past eras, I think ARTPOP's fortune would have been different if it had been pre-BTW simply because it would have sounded so much fresher and had less damage to confront.
Every album has it's time and place, which is why I can only laugh when people say they want another TF/TFM now with RedOne etc. That won't work. It's also why she can't just simply "pull another 2009 VMA performance" because you only get ONE chance to make that kind of impression. It's not that her performances are less interesting now it's just that we're less shockable now. That ship has sailed, we KNOW what she's capable of now and she has to work 10000000 x harder to top herself.
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So many essays right now I can't even keep up
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Member Since: 3/16/2012
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The flop we warned you all about
The one you said you would do without
You're in an awful mess, and I don't mean maybe - please
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Help. 
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by G.U.Y. Gaga
So many essays right now I can't even keep up |
I like the constructive discussion tbh, thanks for showing me again we can discuss things normally
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