They are irrelevant at the moment but they are and will always be iconic.

Madonna is.

How did this turn into comparing them? They're both legends and will always retain some kind of relevance, but they're past their prime.

@ some ATRL members.

OT: Madonna & Mariah don't sell records anymore, they just add something to their everlasting legacy without even noticing it.

Thank you for your OPINION piece. Was a wonderful read. Truly.

I think you also be correct, every so often she does have a TV appearance and they announce her as the best selling female world wide despite the fact it's incorrect by about 150m units.

That's what's stipulated in Mariah's press release. If anyone wants her on their show, that's how they have to announce her.

Some people might say, forcing others to call you the worlds top selling female artist when it isn't true reflects that she's desperately trying to cling to relevance.

But anyways, as i said I just told you how that album business went down, you came back with your own theory - it's all subject to opinion. I just happen to be right :P

Legends don't become ''irrelavent'' (lol) just like that.

I believe someone already corrected you on the GMAYL comments so I won't repeat it. I'm sure you have the capability to understand

I do have to correct you some more though! The Promo deal counted for about 100k albums. That means MDNA sold 259k without that promo - That's what ARTPOP sold and that still went to #1 so please, don't say that you couldn't possibly know "the only reason it went to #1"

The corrections don't stop there though, you see that promo deal isn't exclusive to Madonna. It's available to every artist around the globe. ARTPOP is being sold through to ARTrave as we speak and did you know that in order for those sales to be counted as sales the ticket purchase needs to be more than 100 dollars and it needs to be in a separate transaction - Ticket holders were emailed a download code then at a later day they could log onto a website and download the album. So you see, as per billboards logic that applies to ANY artist those sales were counted because people actually WANTED the album.

It also went number 1 world wide. That bundle deal was only available in the US.

I didn't say Mariah doing that commercial was a bad thing, did I? - I was simply listing what she's been up to but the fact you took it as a negative perfectly illustrates a point in regards to TV commercials, doesn't it?

At the end of the day everything I said was the truth in that respect. Don't be mad about it.

She HAS been in a weight loss commercial

She DOES work in reality TV

Her last hit DIDN'T hit the top ten.

BTW relevance isn't always positive.

Madonna being constantly relevant has a lot to do with her detractors (one doesn’t become such an important cultural icon with a bunch of yes-men around). Take her Olympia Gig for example:

On the YouTube page her show was broadcast, thousands of people clicked on the “dislike” button even before the show began. Yeah, that’s right. Even before Madonna went on stage, thousands of anti-Madonna people took the time to log on to YouTube (increasing the number of people viewing the event) to simply to “dislike” a show that hadn’t even started. And that is the greatest proof of her relevance: At this day and age, people are so preoccupied with Madonna, that they feel the need to express their distaste/dislike for whatever she is doing, even BEFORE she does anything.

But that's not the only thing that happened that night:

Extreme Right French people did not like Madonna’s opinion on Xenophobic Marine Le Pen. So what did they do? They turned up to her show with signs calling her awful names, booed and threw bottles on the stage.

You see, protests happen around/about icons that share a meaningful relation with the issue being dealt with. For instance, protests regarding the Economy happen in front of economic icons (such as Wall Street); Gay Marriage protests happen in front of iconic places where decisions regarding the issue are made: in front of a Church, or Capitol Hill, for example.

Now, Madonna’s concert is the place where people go to protest against whatever she stands for, whether politically, socially or as a cultural icon.

So lamb. When political protests happen around your fave and her work, come back. We'll talk relevance then.

Both are legends! Hope Madonna will smash this year!

Of course they are. It doesnt really matter what the fuck happens nowadays, they're always gonna be relevant. Some ofy'all can hate them how much y'all want, but most of the artists today(even y'all faves) are inpsired by them and y'all can't deny that.

Yes because they're legends, they won't leave.

Her last hit sold double Madonna's hit without performing it to over 100 million people

her last album also sold more than MDNA without forcing fans to buy it like how Madonna did with her tour tickets or w/e.

let's not forget how one of her songs gets a HUGE boost every December unlike Madonna? did any of her solo songs ever sell more than 2 million digital copies without the need of a young hot star (Justin Timberlake)? No.

Both are legends and will forever remain relevant, Mariah's next single will be a hit if she puts effort but then again she doesn't need to prove anything.

she's done everything.

can't say about Madonna but she can a pull a COADF this year & give us one of the best albums of 2014? mariah's music has always been unappealing for me so idc

Every single one of the points you raised had been addressed some in the very post you quoted from. I'm very similar to Madonna in the way that I don't like to repeat myself, I also feel if i went and explained it over again it would be insulting to your intelligence.

The only thing I'll correct you on is this:

"more than MDNA without forcing fans to buy it like how Madonna did with her tour tickets"

Fans were not FORCED - As per billboards rules in order for those sales to count towards the charts, fans had to download the album in a SEPARATE transaction With tickets over $100 people got a download code which they could then go and download the album, if they WANTED to.

I'm sick of people trying to bring the bundle that's available to every artist up as a negative. It's not. It's as per official chart rules and many artists utilise this.

For the answers to your other queries, feel free to perhaps read the comments that were previously made rather than cherry picking what you want to comment on, I feel like it could save a lot of your time.

Yes, Madonna is still making headlines with almost anything she does. Mariah is somewhat relevant as well. Their legacies will live on no matter what, Madonna's as one of the best selling artists ever and Mariah's as one of the best vocalist of her generation with Whitney.

To the current pop sphere they're not as relevant as during their hey days but Madonna still managed to get a top 10 hit + she's a huge touring force and Mariah's # went platinum.

Madonna is.