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Originally posted by Javan
But can we really be equal tho? When it's time for my gal to sit down and have some babies, I'm not gonna ask her to work because we're equal or am I gonna stay at home too cos we're equal. No! We all have our roles to play in a relationship. I am expected to go out, and put the food on the table and my wife take care of the kids. Is that so wrong??? It's realist no? Relationships that operate the other way tend not to last very long. But y'all are gay so why do you care so much?
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It's not wrong per se. I acknowledge your point of view and respect it, even if I don't agree. However, you need to realise that these are not biological predetermined behaviours, they are the result of a specific social environment and were largely influenced by the way western societies worked for decades, if not centuries. The patriarchal model is not more natural than any other and there is no reason for it to be set in stone.
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Originally posted by Javan
But can we really be equal tho? When it's time for my gal to sit down and have some babies, I'm not gonna ask her to work because we're equal or am I gonna stay at home too cos we're equal. No! We all have our roles to play in a relationship. I am expected to go out, and put the food on the table and my wife take care of the kids. Is that so wrong??? It's realist no? Relationships that operate the other way tend not to last very long. But y'all are gay so why do you care so much?
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In a growing number of society's there is both maternity and paternity leave. It is important for fathers to help raise a child they helped make. Numerous studies have shown benefits for both the parents and children when both parents take time off. I don't have the energy to research them all again. Why should your future wife rely on your income? What happens if you get fired, sick, or God forbid die or divorce?
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Originally posted by Javan
Rigggght. I guess I'll have to take you word for it. But surely if there is a disagreement, one person is going to have to take the highroad if a decision is ever going to be made. That person is called the submissive person in the relationship, and that tends to be the female with straight couples  |
There is such a thing as compromise, you know?  Do you seriously feel emasculated if you compromise with a girlfriend? 
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
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Originally posted by Dickard
Replying and having an actual discussion =/= bitching
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The line between "bitching" and "discussion" is very grey. Also, let's not stereotype people and say we are all bitching.
The post you replied to was far from "bitching".
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
In a growing number of society's there is both maternity and paternity leave. It is important for fathers to help raise a child they helped make. Numerous studies have shown benefits for both the parents and children when both parents take time off. I don't have the energy to research them all again. Why should your future wife rely on your income? What happens if you get fired, sick, or God forbid die or divorce?
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I'm entitle to 10 days of maternity leave btw. As for your last question, I have nothing against females being independent and making their own money, she can be as rich as she wants. But as I said, when it's time to sit down and raise the kids, realistically how much is she going to be working when taking care of the children? We can't be equal in every way, everyone has their duty. I don't see how that makes a women inferior. I've debated to many grown women about this with your point of view but it's very idealistic and I learned that it's not even practical in most cases.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
The line between "bitching" and "discussion" is very grey. Also, let's not stereotype people and say we are all bitching.
The post you replied to was far from "bitching".
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That must be ATRL's favorite word
Generally this thread is comprised of a whole bunch of bitching, not just singling out one specific post.
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
It's not wrong per se. I acknowledge your point of view and respect it, even if I don't agree. However, you need to realise that these are not biological predetermined behaviours, they are the result of a specific social environment and were largely influenced by the way western societies worked for decades, if not centuries. The patriarchal model is not more natural than any other and there is no reason for it to be set in stone.
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I find this very hard to believe.
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Compromise is learning to submit tho. Of course sometimes a woman must have her way in little decisions. That's an every day compromise. But in the big decisions, there are usually no nuances/alternatives, and the person who has the overruling power is the dominating member of that relationship and that person rarely changes. Well I would hate it if it changes all the time for me, because as I said, I don't want no woman to give me headache.
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Originally posted by Javan
I find this very hard to believe.
Compromise is learning to submit tho. Of course sometimes a woman must have her way in little decisions. That's an every day compromise. But in the big decisions, there are usually no nuances/alternatives, and the person who has the overruling power is the dominating member of that relationship and that person rarely changes. Well I would hate it if it changes all the time for me, because as I said, I don't want no woman to give me headache.
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You're so arrogant.
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57 pages, damn, the amount of salt in this thread. 
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Originally posted by Scandal & Media
Then what exactly would you call saying that blacks were "happier" before civil rights and were better of during segregation?  |
READ.
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This is the exactly whats wrong with the world. People arent READING and understanding. Nothing he said there was racist or even implied anything against black people.If you actually read the actual quote and internalize it, to find it hateful you either have be on an agenda or a complete moron.
This is the exact quote:
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"Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash," he said. "They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...#ixzz2qoumjWmg
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Where is the racism?
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Originally posted by Dickard
That must be ATRL's favorite word
Generally this thread is comprised of a whole bunch of bitching, not just singling out one specific post. |
Who are you to distinguish bitching from conversation? You were stereotyping in sense that you said everyone one side of an issue is bitching with no reference to the otherside.
I think "bitching" is a privileged person's favorite word. You wouldn't call it bitching if you were in the minority.
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Originally posted by Javan
I find this very hard to believe.
Compromise is learning to submit tho. Of course sometimes a woman must have her way in little decisions. That's an every day compromise. But in the big decisions, there are usually no nuances/alternatives, and the person who has the overruling power is the dominating member of that relationship and that person rarely changes. Well I would hate it if it changes all the time for me, because as I said, I don't want no woman to give me headache.
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Honey, you are looking at the word compromise all wrong. If both sides compromise, no one is "submitting" to the other. How is it so hard to believe that a couple can make decisions together that both are happy with? They're called a couple for a reason. It's two people.
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
READ.
AND.
UNDERSTAND.
This is the exactly whats wrong with the world. People arent READING and understanding. Nothing he said there was racist or even implied anything against black people.If you actually read the actual quote and internalize it, to find it hateful you either have be on an agenda or a complete moron.
This is the exact quote:
Where is the racism?
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The whole thing is racist.
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"Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash," he said. "They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
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The entire bolded says they were happy before. He saying he never saw a black person mistreated. Well, he is a straight, white male, so he probably doesn't know what mistreatment is. Do I have to post videos/pics of blacks protesting?
The italics is bad too. It's suggesting that all black people are on entitlement and welfare and that somehow ruins them more.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Who are you to distinguish bitching from conversation? You were stereotyping in sense that you said everyone one side of an issue is bitching with no reference to the otherside.
I think "bitching" is a privileged person's favorite word. You wouldn't call it bitching if you were in the minority.
Honey, you are looking at the word compromise all wrong. If both sides compromise, no one is "submitting" to the other. How is it so hard to believe that a couple can make decisions together that both are happy with? They're called a couple for a reason. It's two people. |
What do you mean by compromise then? Some decisions are A and B and no C. If a decision is made, someone HAS obviously submitted
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
READ.
AND.
UNDERSTAND.
This is the exactly whats wrong with the world. People arent READING and understanding. Nothing he said there was racist or even implied anything against black people.If you actually read the actual quote and internalize it, to find it hateful you either have be on an agenda or a complete moron.
This is the exact quote:
Where is the racism?
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Maybe I'm taking this quote in the wrong context but it sounds to me like he is saying "blacks should stop complaining". What was he trying to achieve exactly? Cos it sounds racist to me...
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The homophobes in this post.
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I AM a part of a minority. Way to just assume.
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I know there's 50 pages of this but from just reading a few comments how could you possibly call this a "reach" or interpret this in any way that is not homophobic? Like would you really think he was saying "Yeah I literally just love families and happy people"
Let me leave though cuz this discussion has gotten way too intense
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