Celeb News: Madonna Apologizes For Using the N-Word - Page 11

DitaBoy12

So, people here who think that Madonna is racist can use ageist and misogynistic remarks in their comments but still feel offended buy something she said? No one should use that word if in fact its such an offensive term no matter their skin color period.

$ebert

Black people making the most...
They always call themselves ******, why can a black person call ***** to another one and a white person can't? I thought we are all equal... That's so hypocrite. Like if you don't want people to say the word just stop using it!
Don't apologize queen

iambradds

I wish she didn't apologize but blah

DitaBoy12

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Originally posted by $ebert

Black people making the most...
They always call themselves ******, why can a black person call ***** to another one and a white person can't? I thought we are all equal... That's so hypocrite. Like if you don't want people to say the word just stop using it!
Don't apologize queen

THIS!!!

Quietly Trek

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Originally posted by Bríseis

I know how she meant it and that it was harmless, but she shouldnt say it. It was a poor judgement. But I am more shocked by the fact she apologized... She used to not give a **** about what people think and say about her. This makes me worried about her future music career

Words have only as much power as you give them.

I don't think she's any different. In the past when she received backlash, it was from people that were behind the times and unrelenting to change. She was pushing the boundaries for the better. This type of behavior is not pushing any boundaries, because derogatory words have no use in anyone's vocabulary.

In my honest opinion, a mother shouldn't have that type of relationship with her son where she feels it appropriate to call him "*****" or any other similar colloquialism, but to each his own. That part is what embarrasses more than her usage of the word, because it's evident to anyone with a clear mind that she's not racist.

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Originally posted by Moonage Daydream

Not here for her fauxpology. Bye.

Mess at her stans saying we should feel grateful that she apologized at all. She can keep her haughty, half-assed "apologies" to herself if she can't even admit to wrongdoing.

She apologized to those that were offended. There were people who weren't offended, so why should she apologize to them? She's not a racist. She's forward thinking. Always has been. She apologized herself too. She could have easily had an assistant type up a well-crafted PR statement if she really didn't care.

Javan

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Originally posted by PopRock2012

IMO, it's in poor taste when anybody uses it no matter what their skin color.

It's a double standard that it's okay for non-racist black people to use it in a certain "harmless" way but it's not okay for non-racist white people to use it in a "harmless" way.

Sis. It's not a "double standard", it's simply a standard of basic human communication. What she said is disrespectful. As a black person, I have a different relationship to the the N word, compared to Madonna, a white woman. Because her race have used and continue to use that word to oppress black people. Different people have different relationships with different words. I don't have the same relationship with my mother as my father does. She is my mother so I refer to her by Mom/mother/madre etc out of respect. It's not then a "double standard" for my farther to be able to address her by her 1st name. It's a STANDARD. Intention is irrelevant because inherently, my relationship with the word and the person is different. Same applies to the N word.

Class dismissed.

PopRock2012

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Black people making the most...

Actually it wouldn't surprise me if it was actually more so very liberal white people "making the most" of it.

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Like if you don't want people to say the word just stop using it!

Yep.

Ties

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Originally posted by PopRock2012

*eye roll* to anybody asserting that she's a racist because she used the term *****.

Also, I really don't get the double standard with the use of the word. She was using the word in a similar way to the way a lot of black people and artists use it towards, usually, other black people.

The only inappropriateness I see here (and this would go for a black person as well) is that she's an educated, older woman who is clearly using this stupid type of slang to be "cool school."

I addressed this on another forum so let me quote myself:

In a world where societal institutions don't impact the lives of people on a day to day basis, this train of thought makes a lot of sense.

However, we don't live in a world like that.

People always ask: "Why do black people use the 'n' word? Wasn't that word coined to marginalize them?"

Yes. And it was.

However, humorists such as Richard Pryor used the term to empower his people. He felt that he was "changed" and that it allowed him to "rise above." He is identifying with himself when he uses the word, he is going above the institutionalized prejudices of his society, he is removing the "sting" from the word itself. When black people use it, there is a different connotation in comparison to when other races use it. White people, in particular, invented the word as slang to demean an entire group of people, and it should not be equated to when the people who was marginalized BY the word uses it.

What context does white people have to stand by to use the term? Centuries of racism, imperialism, cultural genocide? They are using it to "fit in", to "re-accomodate" the terms to fit by their contemporary definition. It mitigates the historical context behind it. So it is completely disingenuous to assert that it is just like "any other curse word."

Javan

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Originally posted by PopRock2012

Actually it wouldn't surprise me if it was actually more so very liberal white people "making the most" of it.

Yep.

I think he was being sarcastic?..

Ties

Waiting for the replies

PopRock2012

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Sis. It's not a "double standard", it's simply a standard of basic human communication. What she said is disrespectful. . As a black person, I have a different relationship to the the N word, compared to Madonna, a white woman. Because her race have used and continue to use that word to oppress black people. Different people have different relationships with different words. I don't have the same relationship with my mother as my father does. She is my mother so I refer to her by Mom/mother/madre etc out of respect. It's not then a "double standard" for my farther to be able to address her by her 1st name. It's a STANDARD. Intention is irrelevant because inherently, my relationship with the word and the person is different. Same applies to the N word.

Excuses.

The N word and the F word are not okay words for anybody to be using - including black people and homosexual people - but there are numerous people of either color or orientation using it towards each other in those communities like it's a super cool greeting. Both words are extremely tied to hatred and suppression.

If you hate when a white or BLACK person says the N word, I'm fine with you BUT please don't come with me with it's okay for this person but not okay for that person because they "are" this/that. They aren't either, some dorks in their community simply think its okay to refer to each other with language long associated with hate and suppression.

Comparing Dad/Son saying Wanda instead of Mom or Mom instead of Wanda? Pfft.

Ties

I'm still waiting for your reply.

Bríseis

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Originally posted by DitaBoy12

So, people here who think that Madonna is racist can use ageist and misogynistic remarks in their comments but still feel offended buy something she said? No one should use that word if in fact its such an offensive term no matter their skin color period.

Exactly. There is so many sexist and ageist comments on ATRL, and its pure irony how some people use these forms of discrimination while criticizing Madonna for using that n word in a harmless context. Hypocrites.

I dont get how its appropriate when black people use that word among themselves and inappropriate when white people use it among themselves in the same manner. Just dont use it at all then or dont give to that word such power

Ties

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Originally posted by Bríseis

Exactly. There is so many sexist and ageist comments on ATRL, and its pure irony how some people use these forms of discrimination while criticizing Madonna for using that n word in a harmless context. Hypocrites.

And I dont get how its inappropriate when white people use that word on white people like Madonna did, but its appropriate when black people use it among themselves. Just dont use it at all or dont give to that word such power

Do not forego the historical context of the word.

Javan

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Originally posted by PopRock2012

Excuses.

The N word and the F word are not okay words for anybody to be using - including black people and homosexual people - but there are numerous people of either color or orientation using it towards each other in those communities like it's a super cool greeting. Both words are extremely tied to hatred and suppression.

If you hate when a white or BLACK person says the N word, I'm fine with you BUT please don't come with me with it's okay for this person but not okay for that person because they "are" this/that. They aren't either, some dorks in their community simply think its okay to refer to each other with language long associated with hate and suppression.

Comparing Dad/Son saying Wanda instead of Mom or Mom instead of Wanda? Pfft.

The N word/ F word isn't going anywhere tho. Which is why blacks/gays have chose to reclaim it. Blacks can use it because there is no ambiguity there in regards to intention. Generally whites can not use it(publicly), because there is ambiguity as to what there intention is. If a white people wants to use a the N word, among themselves privately idc. I have a problem if someone thinks they can call me the N word with asking if I'm ok with it 1st. We draw boundaries with our friends with offensive language all the time, I don't see how the N word is an exception.

And Pfft? That's all you have? If you call your mom wendy and she tell you she is offended are you going to say "ARRR Double Standards, stop being SO liberal PC, we are equal now".

Javan

My best friend is Asian. He mocks his heritage and so do I because he is okay with it. I don't think that makes it okay for me to publicly make fun of any Asian without regard to their feelings, just because they are given a "pass" to mock themselves and one person I know is cool with it. That's not a double standard, it's a standard.. Like

Ties

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Originally posted by Javan

My best friend is Asian. He mocks his heritage and so do I because he is okay with it. I don't think that makes it okay for me to publicly make fun of any Asian without regard to their feelings, just because they are given a "pass" to mock themselves and one person I know is cool with it. That's not a double standard, it's a standard.. Like

The girls are too scared to reply to me so let me commend you.

Monster

This biych is really crusty isn't she?

Elusive Chanteuse

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Originally posted by DitaBoy12

So, people here who think that Madonna is racist can use ageist and misogynistic remarks in their comments but still feel offended buy something she said? No one should use that word if in fact its such an offensive term no matter their skin color period.

Apparently thats okay cause that only "hurts feelings", at least that's what they have said.

Monster

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Originally posted by Bríseis

Exactly. There is so many sexist and ageist comments on ATRL, and its pure irony how some people use these forms of discrimination while criticizing Madonna for using that n word in a harmless context. Hypocrites.

And I dont get how its inappropriate when white people use that word on white people like Madonna did, but its appropriate when black people use it among themselves. Just dont use it at all then or dont give to that word such power

Who are you to say its harmless? And you need to stop before the girls let you have it. This post is just dumb, dumb, dumb. Typical of a you know who.