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TV Show: American Horror Story: Coven
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How do yall feel about season 4 being about aliens?
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Originally posted by Яeo.
How do yall feel about season 4 being about aliens?
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I would probably watch but I'd be so skeptical. It's about as bad as having a season about vampires.
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Originally posted by IcarusIsFlying
unfinished/unresolved/random story lines:
Kyle, the witch council, cordelia trying to have a baby, the creepy butler and his dolls, the neighbour with the son, Misty, the witch hunters, the next supreme, the ax man, delphine torturing people, the minotaur, the feud between the witches, the zombies, queenie changing sides, fiona getting cancer, the zoe madison kyle love triangle, papa legba, stevie nicks.
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Kyle - Fiona fixed him up and he runs away with Zoe (so far)
The witch council - Myrtle killed them? How is that unresolved?
Cordelia's baby - Marie turned her down and Hank turned out to be a witch hunter, what would she want with a baby in a time when her life is in danger?
Spalding - Zoe kills him and he still plots from the afterlife to get his dolls
Luke and his mom - She killed him and Nan got her revenge by making her drink bleach
Misty - coming back next episode
The witch hunters - They got dealt with appropriately
The next supreme - That's the whole point of the series, wait for episode 13
The Axeman - Also still in the show
Delphine - her WHOLE past was basically explained 
The Minotaur - dies
The feud - a truce between Marie and Fiona
The zombies - what? they were only a tool for attacking the coven, nothing else
Queenie - She still might have some hidden motives and we don't know where her allegiances stand
Fiona - is currently dying of cancer unless she kills the supreme which is what she's trying to do
Love triangle - this is why they run away, Madison threatened them anyway
Papa Legba - he's just a spirit, but also coming back in the next episode
Stevie Nicks - she was just a guest star on the show what's unresolved about that
There you go, everything resolved and finished.
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Originally posted by TheGreatMrY
But at this point in Asylum, everything had pretty much been wrapped up leaving Bloodyface/Lana as the main storyline. Everything that happened on Coven, like countless have said before, has been undone for no reason. And I can;t at the fact that they're JUST NOW getting into Delphine. She was by far the biggest waste this season.
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I feel like the things being undone fit the theme of the season. Nothing is permanent as long as they have their magic and voodoo - Immortality has even been touched on.
Rather than say things have been directionless I think the correct wordage is that some people just don't like the overall theme.
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Originally posted by Samuel
I bet loads of them won't even get closed by the end. The worst one for me is the neighbours, both of them have died so it's 99% probable that that storyline's over now and they literally did nothing for the show. At all. So pointless  |
How were the neighbors pointless if they were used as a plot device to move Nan's story line forward?
The neighbors were never intended to main characters as far as I can tell.
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Originally posted by Sinvius
Kyle - Fiona fixed him up and he runs away with Zoe (so far)
The witch council - Myrtle killed them? How is that unresolved?
Cordelia's baby - Marie turned her down and Hank turned out to be a witch hunter, what would she want with a baby in a time when her life is in danger?
Spalding - Zoe kills him and he still plots from the afterlife to get his dolls
Luke and his mom - She killed him and Nan got her revenge by making her drink bleach
Misty - coming back next episode
The witch hunters - They got dealt with appropriately
The next supreme - That's the whole point of the series, wait for episode 13
The Axeman - Also still in the show
Delphine - her WHOLE past was basically explained
The Minotaur - dies
The feud - a truce between Marie and Fiona
The zombies - what? they were only a tool for attacking the coven, nothing else
Queenie - She still might have some hidden motives and we don't know where her allegiances stand
Fiona - is currently dying of cancer unless she kills the supreme which is what she's trying to do
Love triangle - this is why they run away, Madison threatened them anyway
Papa Legba - he's just a spirit, but also coming back in the next episode
Stevie Nicks - she was just a guest star on the show what's unresolved about that
There you go, everything resolved and finished. |
But what was the point of any of these storylines? They may as well have just not even happened and the main plot wouldn't even change.
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Originally posted by geemarty
How were the neighbors pointless if they were used as a plot device to move Nan's story line forward?
The neighbors were never intended to main characters as far as I can tell. |
But what was even the point of them? Nan barely even had a storyline, her powers just grew a bit. The whole love interest thing and the neighbours existence in general may as well have not even happened. None of the weak side plots tie into the main plot.
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Originally posted by Яeo.
How do yall feel about season 4 being about aliens?
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I'm here for it! I think if Ryan Murphy had an entire season to dedicate to just aliens he could do it proper justice.
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Originally posted by Samuel
But what was the point of any of these storylines? They may as well have just not even happened and the main plot wouldn't even change.
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You can't have a show where they only have the main plot
A lot of these sub-plots were fun to watch (at least for me) and just because they don't have a purpose in the main theme of the season doesn't mean they're redundant by any means.
Without Spalding we would've never known about Fiona's past and the fact that he cut off his own tongue (which I myself didn't see coming and was quite shocked about it)
And how can you even say that the witch hunters were not needed when without them Hank wouldn't have shot everyone which means Marie wouldn't join the Coven and that's one of the best things that's happened because Marie + Fiona combo is both deadly and funny.
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Originally posted by Samuel
But what was even the point of them? Nan barely even had a storyline, her powers just grew a bit. The whole love interest thing and the neighbours existence in general may as well have not even happened. None of the weak side plots tie into the main plot.
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They were used to drive up Nan's crazy delusion that she could actually be the next supreme. Had she not fallen into lust with Luke she never would've gone power hungry and killed the mother.
The main plot is essentially figuring out who the next supreme is. Had Nan never actually shown the confidence that she could in fact be the next supreme i'm sure Fiona wouldn't have even bothered killing her. A confidence she probably would never had gained had Joan not killed Luke.
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Originally posted by Sinvius
You can't have a show where they only have the main plot
A lot of these sub-plots were fun to watch (at least for me) and just because they don't have a purpose in the main theme of the season doesn't mean they're redundant by any means.
Without Spalding we would've never known about Fiona's past and the fact that he cut off his own tongue (which I myself didn't see coming and was quite shocked about it)
And how can you even say that the witch hunters were not needed when without them Hank wouldn't have shot everyone which means Marie wouldn't join the Coven and that's one of the best things that's happened because Marie + Fiona combo is both deadly and funny. |
No, but sub-plots should tie into eachother and actually do something for the show  None of these weak plots are either interesting or important to the main storyline. They may as well not exist. In Asylum everything tied together in some way and made the show more interesting (with just a couple of exceptions), but in Coven they don't.
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Originally posted by Samuel
No, but sub-plots should tie into eachother and actually do something for the show None of these weak plots are either interesting or important to the main storyline. They may as well not exist. In Asylum everything tied together in some way and made the show more interesting (with just a couple of exceptions), but in Coven they don't.
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Almost positive we're not watching the same show now.
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Last night's episode was probably the worst AHS episode yet.
Coven better end well.
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I'd be here for a season about a pack of werewolves in Alaska.
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Originally posted by Samuel
No, but sub-plots should tie into eachother and actually do something for the show None of these weak plots are either interesting or important to the main storyline. They may as well not exist. In Asylum everything tied together in some way and made the show more interesting (with just a couple of exceptions), but in Coven they don't. |
You're completely blinded  Asylum was the least opposite of sub-plots tying into the main theme because it's hard to even determine which was the main theme of Asylum. If you're going to say Bloodyface then the aliens, everything concerning Kitt, devil possessing Mary Eunice and the experiments have nothing to do with the main plot. That's why I think Asylum didn't even have a main plot, it was just a mess of everything happening at the same time, thus giving the illusion of an asylum.
In Coven, each of the sub-plots somehow links into the main plot, which is the coven itself, not just finding out who is the supreme. Which means that when a show is titled "Coven" it means that the main plot of the movie is the experience and life of the coven members. Everything that happens to the coven members is automatically linked to the main plot.
Not to mention that all of these things that happened have either led to character progression (e.g. Nan developing her powers) or changed the circumstances of the coven (the existence of witch hunters ultimately leading to Marie joining the coven)
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I don't care what anyone says. This season is by far the best. Can't wait for the next two episodes. 
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No idea why Asylum fans are coming for Coven when Asylum is the worst season.
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Originally posted by Sinvius
You're completely blinded Asylum was the least opposite of sub-plots tying into the main theme because it's hard to even determine which was the main theme of Asylum. If you're going to say Bloodyface then the aliens, everything concerning Kitt, devil possessing Mary Eunice and the experiments have nothing to do with the main plot. That's why I think Asylum didn't even have a main plot, it was just a mess of everything happening at the same time, thus giving the illusion of an asylum.
In Coven, each of the sub-plots somehow links into the main plot, which is the coven itself, not just finding out who is the supreme. Which means that when a show is titled "Coven" it means that the main plot of the movie is the experience and life of the coven members. Everything that happens to the coven members is automatically linked to the main plot.
Not to mention that all of these things that happened have either led to character progression (e.g. Nan developing her powers) or changed the circumstances of the coven (the existence of witch hunters ultimately leading to Marie joining the coven) |
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Especially the bolded.
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Originally posted by Sinvius
You're completely blinded Asylum was the least opposite of sub-plots tying into the main theme because it's hard to even determine which was the main theme of Asylum. If you're going to say Bloodyface then the aliens, everything concerning Kitt, devil possessing Mary Eunice and the experiments have nothing to do with the main plot. That's why I think Asylum didn't even have a main plot, it was just a mess of everything happening at the same time, thus giving the illusion of an asylum.
In Coven, each of the sub-plots somehow links into the main plot, which is the coven itself, not just finding out who is the supreme. Which means that when a show is titled "Coven" it means that the main plot of the movie is the experience and life of the coven members. Everything that happens to the coven members is automatically linked to the main plot.
Not to mention that all of these things that happened have either led to character progression (e.g. Nan developing her powers) or changed the circumstances of the coven (the existence of witch hunters ultimately leading to Marie joining the coven) |
Well as you said Asylum didn't have as much of a main plot - at first it was Bloody Face, then it was Lana's escape, then it was the shut down of Briarcliff. And all of the other plots tie in to one of those three things perfectly. And they're all interesting.
You're right, the plot of Coven SHOULD be the coven, but it isn't. It's about who's going to be the Supreme. They've barely even delved into the existence of the coven before Zoe arrived. That's why it's boring and why most of the side plots don't tie into it.
There is NO character progression in Coven. Getting more powers isn't character development, that's just a plot change. A character's personality developing is character development. And barely any of the characters have changed at all since the first episode.
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Originally posted by Samuel
Well as you said Asylum didn't have as much of a main plot - at first it was Bloody Face, then it was Lana's escape, then it was the shut down of Briarcliff. And all of the other plots tie in to one of those three things perfectly. And they're all interesting.
You're right, the plot of Coven SHOULD be the coven, but it isn't. It's about who's going to be the Supreme. They've barely even delved into the existence of the coven before Zoe arrived. That's why it's boring and why most of the side plots don't tie into it.
There is NO character progression in Coven. Getting more powers isn't character development, that's just a plot change. A character's personality developing is character development. And barely any of the characters have changed at all since the first episode.
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Zoe: Went from quiet girl to a zombie warrior princess in a matter of episodes. Then turned into a strong female confused over whether to side with her Coven or leave and choose love.
Nan: Went from having no confidence to being as confident as can be and killed.
Queenie: Went from hating the whole sisterhood and not feeling accepted to joining the Voodoo and ultimately feeling confused over where she stands.
Delphine: Went from racist to slightly racist to back where she started.
Marie: Went from thinking she was untouchable to realizing she wasn't.
Fiona: Went from Power bitch to dwindling senior who thought she had nothing else to give. Then to have her fight re-ignited by Spalding.
I could go on.. but just because you say there isn't any character progression doesn't mean it's true.
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