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Discussion: Is Xtina as Iconic as Bey and Brit?
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No they don't, if they did, they won't have trashed her vocals for the national anthem @ superbowl, along screwing up the lyrics
Dead @ Christina never having vocal training. Another lie perpetuated by the Xtina stans, when there are documentation of Xtina going through extensive vocal training at the beginning of career.
Christina's camp simply tried to market her as this vocal hybrid of Whitney/Mariah/Aretha and it failed miserably. Hence the rapid vocal deterioration.
Even Whitney Houston, who's acknowledged and known as the voice, never got an award stating that. Not even Mariah Carey at her vocal peak. What makes you think anybody would take some random award from ALMA seriously?
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They complained about the small lyric flub, I don't remember any vocal complaints. I'm sure you do though.
She used to get singing lessons very briefly in her debut days and again in 2004 after an injury. Christina fired Seth Riggs after claiming her voice was changing due to the sessions. Maybe an idiotic choice, but an artistic one nonetheless. If you consider that intense training...
The vocal deterioration is blown out of proportion by other stanbases. It's hilarious, actually.
Speaking of Whitney, she, alongside other vocal icons, has praised Christina's singing. Some even went as far as to call her the best. I just don't understand how anyone on a forum is expecting me to take them seriously while trashing her vocal legacy.
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The answer is still no !
Get over it.
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Originally posted by atrlster
People in general didn't trash her vocals. They said things along the lines of how she had a great voice but they didn't like her forgetting the lyrics
She hasn't gotten that much vocal training which is a fact. And nothing has failed. She's known to the GP for her Voice and a few people on the internet nitpicking isn't going to change that
I suppose if you think this ALMA award shouldn't be taken seriously, you should take in mind for certain Billboard awards too that were created just for certain artists lol.
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I don't know what rock you were living under, but Xtina got ripped to shreds by media for fumbling of the lyrics and awful vocals. The General public clearly weren't here for her, coz all her solo music endeavors since then have all flopped.
Xtina received extensive vocal training at the beginning of her career, by the request of Ron fair. Clearly she didn't continue with the training, hence the swift vocal deterioration. Plenty of female artists are known for their vocal gifts, only the skillful gifted few are requested for prestigious events(Oscars, Inaugurations, and Kennedy center tributes)
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Originally posted by atrlster
If people were so interested in Beyonce, why would she have to pull a stunt like this? We all know if the album was released normally, the album would have been thrashed, much lower sales, and XO would be even more non existent on pop radio,
Her first week sales would still be okay though since urban radio tends to play her music regardless of quality.
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There's actually no way for you to prove it and the fact that you're trying to use her success against her is pathetic. It wasn't a stunt. It was a brilliant marketing tactic that happened to work out. Had it failed, like a lot of you ASSumed it would have when it was released, you would be singing a different tune.
Most of you are so see-through. You guys predicted she would flop NO MATTER WHAT and now that it hasn't happened you're reaching for any reason to excuse her success. Let's call a spade a spade.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
I don't know what rock you were living under, but Xtina got ripped to shreds by media for fumbling of the lyrics and awful vocals. The General public clearly weren't here for her, coz all her solo music endeavors since then have all flopped.
Xtina received extensive vocal training at the beginning of her career, by the request of Ron fair. Clearly she didn't continue with the training, hence the swift vocal deterioration. Plenty of female artists are known for their vocal gifts, only the skillful gifted few are requested for prestigious events(Oscars, Inaugurations, and Kennedy center tributes)
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I could ask the same about you  Nobody in the GP really commented on her vocals in terms of it being a decline like you're claiming. It was all about the wrong lyrics
There was no swift deterioration. She was in her best vocal state in 2007. And her vocals changing has more to do more with drinking and her weight affecting her breathing. But now that's she lost the weight her vocals are definitely improving.
And please, Christina has done ton of major events before Beyonce ever did 
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The answer is still no !
Get over it.
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Originally posted by atrlster
If people were so interested in Beyonce, why would she have to pull a stunt like this?
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Precisely because they were interested in her. Do you iTunes would agree to this plan if they thought people weren't interested in her? Do you think Pepsi would give her $50 mil if they thought people weren't interested in her? Do you think she would have got a SOLO Superbowl halftime slot if the NFL thought people weren't interested in her?
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Originally posted by atrlster
We all know if the album was released normally, the album would have been thrashed, much lower sales, and XO would be even more non existent on pop radio.
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Oh. We do? Well then I guess there's nothing further to discuss. You seem to already know everything.

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Originally posted by Little X
They complained about the small lyric flub, I don't remember any vocal complaints. I'm sure you do though.
She used to get singing lessons very briefly in her debut days and again in 2004 after an injury. Christina fired Seth Riggs after claiming her voice was changing due to the sessions. Maybe an idiotic choice, but an artistic one nonetheless. If you consider that intense training...
The vocal deterioration is blown out of proportion by other stanbases. It's hilarious, actually.
Speaking of Whitney, she, alongside other vocal icons, has praised Christina's singing. Some even went as far as to call her the best. I just don't understand how anyone on a forum is expecting me to take them seriously while trashing her vocal legacy.
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Oh no, it wasn't just the lyric flub. The Mainstream Media trashed her vocals for that performance.
Yet some of your fellow Xtina stans claimed she's NEVER had any vocal training. I simply can't with the Xtina stans and their narrative discrepancies.
Oh Whitney Houston and fellow vocal Goddesses Mariah Carey, Barabra Streisand, Tina Turner & Patti Label have all praised Bey' singing. So vocal talent praises aren't exclusive to Xtina. Even your fave(Xtina) acknowledges Bey's vocal talent, and has her contestants singing Beyonce's songs and imitate her vocal styling. At least she knows the deal.
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
There's actually no way for you to prove it and the fact that you're trying to use her success against her is pathetic. It wasn't a stunt. It was a brilliant marketing tactic that happened to work out. Had it failed, like a lot of you ASSumed it would have when it was released, you would be singing a different tune.
Most of you are so see-through. You guys predicted she would flop NO MATTER WHAT and now that it hasn't happened you're reaching for any reason to excuse her success. Let's call a spade a spade.
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Bottom line.
Bey creatively leveraged her star power and the extreme public interest in her and won. Period.
There are an extreme few number of stars who could have pulled that off, even fewer that would have had that kind of success doing it. No many how many excuses they scramble to come up with for her massive success and bs "if scenarios" and "shoulda, coulda, woulda's" will change that.
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Originally posted by atrlster
I could ask the same about you  Nobody in the GP really commented on her vocals in terms of it being a decline like you're claiming. It was all about the wrong lyrics
There was no swift deterioration. She was in her best vocal state in 2007. And her vocals changing has more to do more with drinking and her weight affecting her breathing. But now that's she lost the weight her vocals are definitely improving.
And please, Christina has done ton of major events before Beyonce ever did 
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Oh dear. I swear the tales & delusions of an Xtina Stan are endless.
Dead @ Xtina doing tons of prestigious events than Bey. Not in this life time.
Xtina has NEVER been requested by Oscar Academy to perform songs from nominated movies. .
Xtina has NEVER been requested for a presidential inaugurations.
Xtina has NEVER been requested by the Kennedy center for a legend tribute.
All prestigious events, Beyonce has been invited to on multiple occasions.
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Xtina is more iconic than the both of them.
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Originally posted by Ascension
Bottom line.
Bey creatively leveraged her star power and the extreme public interest in her and won. Period.
There are an extreme few number of stars who could have pulled that off, even fewer that would have had that kind of success doing it. No many how many excuses they scramble to come up with for her massive success and bs "if scenarios" and "shoulda, coulda, woulda's" will change that.
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It all boils down to the fact that they're mad that Bey is the first one to do this and do it so successfully. And I know they're hoping and praying her songs don't smash because the meltdowns will be catastrophic.
Beyonce is 15+ years into her career, the same as Britney and Xtina, and yet she is the only one still climbing the mountain. One is stuck on primetime television and the other is stuck in Vegas.
I would be mad too.
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The seething desperation in this thread  The answer is simply no.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
Oh no, it wasn't just the lyric flub. The Mainstream Media trashed her vocals for that performance.
Yet some of your fellow Xtina stans claimed she's NEVER had any vocal training. I simply can't with the Xtina stans and their narrative discrepancies.
Oh Whitney Houston and fellow vocal Goddesses Mariah Carey, Barabra Streisand, Tina Turner & Patti Label have all praised Bey' singing. So vocal talent praises aren't exclusive to Xtina. Even your fave(Xtina) acknowledges Bey's vocal talent, and has her contestants singing Beyonce's songs and imitate her vocal styling. At least she knows the deal.
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Honestly never seen those comments but that was her worst vocal performance to date at the time. Oh well, she recovered.
Can't speak for anyone else other than myself. X did get mandatory vocal lessons and then stopped due to her own ignorance. I learned to deal. Her most resonant notes came well after her debut days so it's not so horrific after all.
That's good. Never tried to drag Beyoncé's vocals, that would be quite stupid. The compliments went both ways If I remember correctly. 
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lol why does this thread have 35 pages?
The answer is no, and I love Legend X.
She is more iconic than Rihanna, Katy, Gaga, Taylor, Pink, Avril, and Kelly tho. So basically everyone but Brit and Bey.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
Oh dear. I swear the tales & delusions of an Xtina Stan are endless.
Dead @ Xtina doing tons of prestigious events than Bey. Not in this life time.
Xtina has NEVER been requested Oscar Academy to perform songs from nominated movies. .
Xtina has NEVER been requested for a presidential inaugurations.
Xtina has NEVER been requested by the Kennedy center for a legend tribute.
All prestigious events, Beyonce has been invited to on multiple occasions.
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And those of a Beyoncé fan?
And it might help to read things more slowly instead of getting so upset like you seem to be getting. I didn't say Christina did those events specifically lol nor did I say she has done more. Not saying Beyoncé has done more either. I don't keep a list of that like you might to know how many she has done compared to Christina
Just saying, Christina has done ton of major events too and many before Beyoncé. For one, she was doing the Super Bowl and singing for presidents years before Beyonce. But I got to sleep now so feel free to google the rest 
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If you can't even tour ww filling up arenas/stadium any more and at least grossing $140 million in this decade you are no competition for Beyoncé. Not to mention having an album at least selling 3 million ww like 4 did, Xtina has fallen behind Gaga, Katy and Rihanna let alone Beyonce. Beyoncé is above all the other girls, especially now, I mean she has sold 2 million albums ww in less than a month, who else has done that and she has the highest grossing tour of 2013. I mean Xtina can't even tour any more.lol Bey has no competition any more. 
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ICON-wise: Britney > Bey > Xtina.
BOMT, OIDIA, Slave, Toxic, VMAs 2000/2001/2003/2007 are all more iconic than anything Xtina or Bey have ever done.
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