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Decision '08: Barack Obama wins the election
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Originally posted by Kaos
Congrats Obama...
You're lucky SC has a lot of blacks!!!
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Thats true because Iowa had a lot of black voters too!... oh wait.
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Originally posted by Athens
Thats true because Iowa had a lot of black voters too!... oh wait.
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I never said that's why he won Iowa 
In South Carolina's case, obviously there was an advantage on his end. 55%? Tell me the blacks didn't have a big part on that. That state has more blacks than Africa. Not to mention their growing population of wiggers.
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Originally posted by Kaos
I never said that's why he won Iowa
In South Carolina's case, obviously there was an advantage on his end. 55%? Tell me the blacks didn't have a big part on that. That state has more blacks than Africa. Not to mention their growing population of wiggers. |
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Originally posted by Kaos
I never said that's why he won Iowa
In South Carolina's case, obviously there was an advantage on his end. 55%? Tell me the blacks didn't have a big part on that. That state has more blacks than Africa. Not to mention their growing population of wiggers. |
You may not have said thats why he won Iowa, but you sure don't give him credit for being able to do it by himself. Barack Obama has never once said "I'm black, so black people should vote for me". He has never tried to sell himself to the black community while Hillary *****s herself around to women with no shame.
So it's ok to get more women to vote for Hillary but not ok if blacks vote for Barack? Your logic is flawed.
I'm neither an Obama or Clinton supporter, but I think both of them have a large population with a bias. A bias that will help them in the election whether they were for it or against it.
By the way, the exit polls show that the majority of college educated white males voted for Barack while the less educated voted for Clinton. You must be that other guy... 
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Originally posted by Athens
You may not have said thats why he won Iowa, but you sure don't give him credit for being able to do it by himself. Barack Obama has never once said "I'm black, so black people should vote for me". He has never tried to sell himself to the black community while Hillary *****s herself around to women with no shame.
So it's ok to get more women to vote for Hillary but not ok if blacks vote for Barack? Your logic is flawed.
I'm neither an Obama or Clinton supporter, but I think both of them have a large population with a bias. A bias that will help them in the election whether they were for it or against it.
By the way, the exit polls show that the majority of college educated white males voted for Barack while the less educated voted for Clinton. You must be that other guy... |
Awww... why are you making this personal? You're so silly Nick.
My only point was that, take out the blacks in this equation and let's see if Obama gets 55%. A big part of democratic voters are minorities. And in this state, the blacks own that demographics. You can't deny they played a big role in getting that major percentage of the votes. Now if Obama didn't have that advantage, I would say it'd be neck to neck between the two.
I wonder why you get all pissy with me and get so heated up with my opinion. I'm sure you're a closet Obama lover. Just an educated guess. Don't kill me.
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^Actually i'm Pro-Ron Paul, but I would not be upset if Hillary or Obama wins because it's something to tell my future children about. Oh and since you took out the blacks from your calculation, you might want to take out the women too, you know, just to be fair.
I'm not pissy or heated. You seemed like you were fired up for a debate, so I'm participating.
I just think you are offending many black posters here (rapisalive for one) with some of your comments. You can criticize the candidates all you want, but why make it a race thing?
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How do I explain my opinion without bringing up "blacks?"
Can't get any nicer than that. It is what it is.
or maybe I should say "people of the same pigmentation as Obama?" no?
Yes, Hillary does get a lot of women supporters but it's not that huge for it to be the main reason for her success. There are also a lot of other women who are Republicans. So you can't really say all or most women are all about Hillary. In a sense, I do believe that being a female is somewhat of a disadvantage for Hillary. She has to prove herself so much more than her male counterparts.
Now in Obama's case, I strongly believe that he really does have the African-Americans (there, that's better than blacks) all in his pocket. He's good at what he does and it's not luck on how far he's gotten. He's won over so many people of every kind. But you cannot deny, the extra cookie he gets just for being black. He's got their support all the way to the end. Yes, even black females.
Oh yeah, and I still think Obama is a social hype...
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"There are also a lot of other women who are Republicans. So you can't really say all or most women are all about Hillary."
Well all African-Americans are not democratic either, and they won't all vote for him because he's black. Hillary happens to have a great relationship with the black community (Arguable on whether Billy boy ruined that in the past few days). She also has the support of many black leaders in politics and the support of BET's founder.
In the democratic nomination Hillary being a woman helps her, but I think in the Presidential Election she would not be able to overcome the republican turnout, which is why having Bill Clinton might be a good strategy for credibility.
But do you really think Obama is going to get an extra cookie for being black in EVERY state? I agree it helped in SC but in some states he's more likely to get shot. There are still a lot of racist pro-white states in America that won't budge.
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South Carolina was a little racist.
That's why i have always said that the real racist are the blacks, no the whites.
Go Hilary.
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Originally posted by MrDeeds
South Carolina was a little racist.
That's why i have always said that the real racist are the blacks, no the whites.
Go Hilary.
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This is sadly true. It's interesting how an overwhelming majority of black people vote for Obama, yet Hillary only gets a marginal majority of women, if that.
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My theory:
America is in fact, not sexist at all. If they were sexist so they only liked females, they'd obviously vote for the most feminine of the candidates, Edwards
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^That actually curious, because some women say that another woman can't be president, just for being woman, have read that in forums, blogs, but you'll never find any black person saying that kind of things about another black.
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Originally posted by MrDeeds
South Carolina was a little racist.
That's why i have always said that the real racist are the blacks, no the whites.
Go Hilary.
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That is not the case at all. I can't believe your making up these excuses and false accusations and I can't actually believe others agree with you. The people of South Carolina vote for him because they believe he will bring change like I will period! You guys need to quit judging the book by it's cover (just making an example) I can't believe all the racism on this board or if not racism it's pretty damn close. Just accept the fact that Obama won and he won a good percentage of white men who are not wiggers thank you not to mention that word is just as bad as the n word. He had a good number of young voters and of course he had the majority of the African-American vote. And how many times must I say this as well Obama said said he doesn't see a white South Carolina or a black South Carolina he sees South Carolina! As in he won South Carolina because he won the majority of voters made up of all different ethnic groups not just the black voters. And this has also been said lately Obama is being compared to JFK not just because he's young but because he believes in change like JFK did and with that being said I believe Obama is going to be one of the greatest presidents we have ever had you just wait! That's the reason why he's getting all these Kennedy endorsements! Yes we can!
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Originally posted by oasis
My theory:
America is in fact, not sexist at all. If they were sexist so they only liked females, they'd obviously vote for the most feminine of the candidates, Edwards
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Edwards is femine? 
A good joke is good once in a while. But actually to me he looks like a drunk everytime he speaks I'm just sayin!
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Well Edwards did pay $400.00 for a haircut...
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Originally posted by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy
Earlier today I endorsed Barack Obama for president, and I couldn't be more excited for the Democratic Party, the nation -- and the world.
Barack inspires me -- it's that simple. In the words of President Kennedy:
"The world is changing. The old ways will not do... It is time for a new generation of leadership."
In Barack, I see that next generation of American leadership: a figure who can transcend the divisions in this country that my family and I have fought so hard to tear down.
We were all moved four years ago as Barack told us a profound truth: We are not red states and blue states, but one United States. Since then, he has matched that rhetoric with action, traveling the country to inspire record turnouts of men and women of all ages, races, parties and faiths. Barack has forged consensus in the Senate on contentious issues such as immigration and pushed through necessary reforms like the most far-reaching ethics reform in its history.
But I'm not only supporting Barack because of what he has done. What counts in our leadership is not the length of years in Washington, but the reach of our vision, the strength of our beliefs, and that rare quality of mind and spirit that can call forth the best in our country and our people.
That's why I'm most excited about the promise of President Obama:
As president, Barack Obama will break the Washington gridlock to finally make health care what it should be in America.
He will turn the page on the old politics of misrepresentation and distortion and bridge the divisions of race, gender, ethnicity and sexual orientation that plague our country.
He will end a war in Iraq that he has always stood against, that has cost us the lives of thousands of our sons and daughters, and that America never should have fought.
He will close the door on the old economics that has written off the poor and left the middle class poorer and less secure.
He will make the United States the great leader and not the great roadblock in the fateful fight against global warming.
When Barack Obama raises his hand on Inauguration Day a new generation of American leadership will take charge and restore the hope, peace and prosperity the country so desperately needs.
Looking out from the stage today, I realized just how powerful his campaign has become. It's a movement for change -- and one that I'm proud to be a part of.
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Who's watching Bush's LAST State of the Union EVER
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I can't wait until Hillary takes the nomination 
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Originally posted by Don'tTaseMeBro!
Well Edwards did pay $400.00 for a haircut...
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are u kidding me... hell no... go Hilary 
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Originally posted by Lee!!
Who's watching Bush's LAST State of the Union EVER
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i am ... i am... i can't believe he mentioned 9/11 when clearly everyone knows the Bush Administration was behind it
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