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Originally posted by KoreanDream
why are you not respecting yourself if you take agency over the sexuality that our male-dominated society tries in every possible way to take away from women? i don't get that - to me, that seems like the definition of self-respect
furthermore, there IS a difference between subscribing to the objectification of women and servicing yourself to that and taking control over your sexuality and separating it from that -- i would argue that neither nicki nor miley is doing the former
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Well a common argument is that female sexuality will simply always be a product of male fantasy in a male dominant society because they have been trained to think that way. So even if they believe they are owning it themselves before men to get to it first, in the end it is still essentially in response to men.
I don't really agree with that, but I think that whether or not it is simple objectification or a woman in control of herself, it can easily come across the same way and reinforce the same ideologies that we have been stuck with of women merely being objects. The problem isn't necessarily sexuality itself, but that when it comes to women, sexuality is one of the few things that gets greatly represented. Men face this problem less often because the male image is already so diverse whereas women have not had that luxury because they have been marginalized for so long.
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and nicki & miley sell more than just sex, they don't "ONLY sell sex" as you stated, that's quite an insulting viewpoint to take because it condenses all their accomplishments into their sexualities which is simply ONE facet of who they are and what their image is
and lastly, anyone who calls women ****s for their behavior loses all credibility
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When I said that I wasn't trying to make a statement, I was trying to argue the issue from Rashida's view. I don't follow Nicki and Miley closely enough to really judge their character, but from the surface it does seem like sex makes up a major part of their image and it seems they often deliberately emphasize that aspect. My take on Rashida's point was that they should work harder to emphasize those other parts of their images and accomplishments so that they can provide a fuller representation of women.
Now I do think it's kind of unfair to expect that type of responsibility from someone, not everyone in the public spotlight is trying to change the world. But I also think that these types of criticisms
can be fair to make.
Okay I need to stop contributing to these topics, I always end up writing novels
I just find these discussions interesting.
