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Discussion: Why are the pop girls flopping?
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Why are the pop girls flopping?
2013 has been a very bad year commercially for most pop girls. What do you think is to blame?
Is the material not good enough?
Is the GP more interested in other acts/genres? (rock, folk, country)
Is it an Illuminati curse?
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Ke$ha is slaying
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Here's a good article about this:
http://variety.com/2013/biz/news/kat...re-1200824933/
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The album is dying in front of our very eyes.
SEE MORE: From the November 12, 2013 issue of Variety
In other words, what kind of screwed up world do we live in where Katy Perry’s new album “Prism” sells only 287,000 copies in its debut? One in which everybody’s interested in the single, and no one’s got time to sit and hear your hour-plus statement.
This is not emotion, this is statistics. The shelf life of news is shorter than ever. The shelf life of art. … You blink and it’s done.
I’m fine with you preaching to the choir, making an album for your fans. You gotta go where you wanna go, do what you wanna do. But if your plan is to increase your audience, spread the word and make money, suddenly the album just isn’t working anymore. The youngsters are streaming singles and the oldsters are staying home.
How do I know? Elton’s album isn’t even in the top 50, and McCartney’s album barely broke 20,000 this week, and there wasn’t a better oldster hype than for these two projects. People just don’t want ’em.
So what’s the industry to do? Have a rethink.
In other words, hype doesn’t work.
No one had more hype than Miley Cyrus, but “Bangerz” didn’t even sell 45,000 copies in its fourth week of release. She can go on “SNL,” tweet her life away, but it’s not moving the needle. Lorde is selling as much as Miley without the benefit of scorched earth, proving quality music is as good as hype. But Lorde isn’t burning up the chart either.
We’ve turned into a nation of grazers. And the artist’s job is to constantly be at the smorgasbord. Not to deliver one big meal that is picked at and thrown away, but to constantly provide tantalizing bites to the public.
Media cannot be limited to the album release date. It must be a 24/7, 365-day-a-year effort. Same with creativity. If your track gets traction, more power to you. If it doesn’t, go back in the studio and make more. In other words, if you’re sitting at home bitching that you’re not making any money because the Internet stole your business, you’re RIGHT! There are so many diversions that no one’s got time for mediocre anymore.
If you’ve got a concept album, go ahead and record it. If you’re only interested in selling a little, be my guest. But if you want to penetrate the consciousness of a large group of people and grow the pie, an album isn’t working. Hell, it’s not even working as a revenue model!
Labels are no longer in the record business, they’re in the star business. How to maximize the revenue of an individual or band in as many media as possible, in as many ways as possible. Yes, while you were bitching about piracy, your whole business model disappeared.
You put out these albums, and in almost every case, the public moves on in a matter of WEEKS. A few bought it, they heard it, and they’re satisfied — and left waiting for years until you grace them with a new release. The rest of the public is just waiting for a hit single to burble, and if it does, they’ll tap their toes and snap their fi ngers and ask, “WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU GOT?” And what you’ve got had better be just as good as the hit.
No one wants album tracks anymore unless they’re every bit as satisfying as the hit.
So it’s not only classic rock acts who have stopped putting out albums; eventually, no one will do it. Oh, it won’t be soon, because artists think making albums is part of their DNA, going into the studio and making a 10-track statement.
But that’s like saying typewriters have to be an office fixture. And you can’t post online unless you write in multiple paragraphs. And texting must be abandoned because it’s not in-depth enough.
The goal of a musician is to be AHEAD of the audience. Right now everybody’s behind.
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Originally posted by K$Animal
Ke$ha is slaying
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lets be honest, if that song had feature some other chick it would've still had the same success
anyways all the pop girls material sucks even my faves but ill still bump to it until the next era
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No R8, no party.
But yes, Kesha is delivering!
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It's sad, people just aren't here for the pop girls' albums any more. It's all about the singles now I guess
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Miley is doing just fine 
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Originally posted by K$Animal
Ke$ha is slaying
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Which is why her 2013 solo singles smashed so hard...
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Originally posted by kleinemonster
lets be honest, if that song had feature some other chick it would've still had the same success
anyways all the pop girls material sucks even my faves but ill still bump to it until the next era
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The only excuse yall keep using for Ke$ha's slayage. No, if someone else sung it it won't be slaying. You don't know that. Invalid. Just accept the fact that she is smashing xoxo
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Just the market, honestly.
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Originally posted by K$Animal
The only excuse yall keep using for Ke$ha's slayage. No, if someone else sung it it won't be slaying. You don't know that. Invalid. Just accept the fact that she is smashing xoxo
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27 40 
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Originally posted by PoisonPill
Which is why her 2013 solo singles smashed so hard...
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Beyonce had like no top 10 hits with her latest era, no one cared.
Rihanna just had 2 flops, no one cared.
Work Work and Perfume tanked, no one cared.
So tell me why we should care about Ke$ha flopping for once? Every major pop girl had flops and yet her biggest flop is still a top 40 hit. Slay a bit. C'mon was generic and nothing new. Crazy Kids could smash without will.i.am, since the solo version peaked the highest and the will.i.am version.. well.. The singles of her next record will smash, whether you liked it or not. REVOLU$HION
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Y'all need Beyoncé and Rihanna in your lives
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X ain't -
Rounding out the Hot 100's top 10, A Great Big World and Christina Aguilera rocket 18-10 with "Say Something," the chart's top Digital Gainer and another recipient of an AMA-related bump. The ballad zooms 6-3 on Digital Songs (197,000, up 63%) and 45-18 on Streaming Songs (2.6, up 93%). It approaches the 50-position Radio Songs chart (22 million, up 48%).
While A Great Big World reaches the Hot 100's top 10 with its first chart entry, Aguilera lands her 11th top 10 and second this year; she rose to No. 8 in April as a guest on Pitbull's "Feel This Moment." She hadn't notched multiple top 10s in a single year since 2000, when "What Girl Wants" (No. 1, two weeks), "I Turn to You" (No. 3) and "Come On Over Baby (All I Want Is You)" (No. 1, four weeks), all from her self-titled debut album, reached the top tier. "Say" is also Aguilera's first top 10 with lead billing since October 2008, when her own "Keeps Gettin' Better" debuted at its No. 7 peak.
- http://www.billboard.com/articles/ne...o-1-on-hot-100
She's smashing with a lead song like in 2008. 
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Because their music is bad, but my fave is slaying so i'm not really worried 
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Well Gaga fell a lot from her last album numbers, but she's doing just fine not "flopping" so.. 
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Originally posted by Music.ology
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This is spot on thanks for sharing.
It feels like people just want something new every week because we burn out on everything not just music so quickly.I remember asking my sister when the last time was she heard a whole album and she said something about 2009
People no longer regard music as an expression of art or a statement in its totality but rather as something they can consume like fast food.
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I honestly think it's the lack of variety. Like most of the songs released are mid-tempos and ballads. The GP is probably getting tired of them. I'm thinking more upbeat music will come back soon because if you listen to all the music that is out right now while being completely objective, many of the songs have the same BPM (very mid-tempo) and all seem rather plain, nothing really special. Even the "upbeat" songs have a slower tempo. This year has had a lot of releases, but few songs with an innovative or different sound. I think it's time for a new sound but who knows what that'll be 
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Originally posted by K$Animal
Ke$ha is slaying
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As a feature, tho. Let's keep that in mind.
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Female pop stars have to do so much just to sell decently. Promo has to be on point, singles need to be on point, videos, etc. it's hard out there for a pop girl.
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Originally posted by BlooRiverAnimal
As a feature, tho. Let's keep that in mind.
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Will you ever just support your fave
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