I should hope 3 albums will outsell 2. BOMT + Oops > TF + TFM. Britney and Gaga were no longer phenomenons with their 3rd release, so that question doesn't apply to this thread.

Touring has changed dramatically since the early 00s, so comparing them as they are are unfair. The fairest way to compare them is by attendance. Britney's BOMT tour had more people attending than Gaga's TFB tour. Britney's Oops Tour had a 1.4 million attendance in North America and Europe alone with 90 dates while Gaga's TFMB tour had 2.5 million with 200+ dates all around the world. Britney was the bigger touring act comparing it this way.
That article is to say that the argument for first week sales are incomparable are invalid. The impressive first week sale by a female back then was Alanis with 469,000 copies, and Britney tripled that with Oops. The impressive first week sale by a female before BTW was Taylor with Speak Now, and BTW did around the same numbers. Britney tripled the record, Gaga pulled the same.

I say Gaga. Just because Brit peak was in the teen pop wave, she was huge but huge in Justin Bieber/Hannah Montana/One Direction kind of way. Lady Gaga reached wider demographic. I don't have any numbers to back it up really so lemme just exit this thread

the landslide

Britney. There really isn't a comparison.

Gaga had one of the highest peaks of the pop girls, but Britney is definitely at the top of the list.

Britney was big in a Taylor Swift or Katy Perry way. Main demographic are kids and teens, but still is considered a pop girl.

Britney was on everyone's mind in her prime. Boys and dads wanted to be in her, girls wanted to be her, closet gays were idolizing her, and mothers monitored and judged her. Gaga was only relevant to girls and gay teens.

TFM isn't a new separate album. Born This Way is Gaga's official 2nd album.

and it's funny how you think it's unfair to compare tour gross but albums sales are fair game

fact is Gaga accomplished more with her debut/peak than britney has with hers.

It tripled because britney had the advantage of releasing at the apex of album sales, and more importantly, riding Nsync's coattails, who sold a staggering 2million on their first week.
Gaga's peak is more impressive.
And Adele's destroys them both.

TFM is treated as the second album. It got a new image, 3 music videos, new tour etc. Gaga her team and the Garmmys even treat it as a second album.

I never said it's fair game to compare Britney and Gaga's album sales without considering the undeniable album sales decline.

That Alanis record was released only 2 years before Oops, yet Britney tripled that opening week.

Britney didn't ride NSYNC's coattails, otherwise her success should have been US oriented like them. If you're referring to musically, then Gaga jumped on the electropop bandwagon that was happening so that argument really can't be used.

Also bare in mind Britney spawned 3 pop acts that were said to be like her (Xtina, Jessica, Mandy) while Gaga only spawned 1 (Ke$ha). Record companies wanted more Britney girls than Gaga girls and that shows who was selling them records, bringing that cash. Remember it's all relative, so I think using this shows who was truly selling more records/bigger pop act relatively at the time.

I'm not getting into the debate about whether or not TFM is her 2nd album. You're only saying it is because it's convenient for your argument. The Fame Monster is an EP, an Extended Play to an already existing album, not a new wholly separate album.

If you look at the graph, there's a big gap difference in CD sales between 1998 and 1999/2000. and Alanis wasn't part of the big pop explosion.

NSYNC opened with 2+ million. britney was strongly affiliated with them at the time. Dating Justin, and even doing promo and commercials together. Britney's career sparked using Nsync. Gaga only had herself and the Christina comparisons.

NYSNC and Backstreetboys spawned all the pop girls, including Britney. First Britney, the pop dancer, and Xtina became the pop vocalist+dancer. Then Jessica, the Xtina clone, then Mandy, a mix of Britney and Xtina.



it all comes down the fact that Gaga accomplished more with her peak (TF+TFM) than britney's peak (BOMT).
First week sales is not everything.Gaga had bigger singles, bigger impact in fashion and media, before Katy became a threat to her only recently. Britney had to share most of her impact with Christina.

I'm not saying it because it's convenient. TFM era time span was like a proper era.

Not big enough for her debut to be on par with Britney's Oops debut.

Yet Britney achieved success worldwide and they didn't, what does that say?

Janet and Britney did electro-pop first at the time, Gaga just jumped on their bandwagon so I don't know why you're holding this against Britney only. Mind you, when the teen pop craze was over Britney still held her own while Gaga is being punched out after the dance pop craze died down.

Jessica Simpson was NOT an Xtina wannabe, neither was Mandy. They were all Britney type girls in their debut.

Britney has WAY bigger impact on media than Gaga. Britney was the #1 searched celebrity on Google for years while Gaga had her reign on Twitter/FB for a year or two. BOMT is bigger than any Gaga song. Oops is more referenced than any Gaga song just fr the line of that song alone. Beyonce's IASF era and Taylor's Fearless era was competition for Gaga's TF. Adele, Rihanna and Katy in 2011 were bigger than Gaga in 2011. Britney was the #1 pop girl in 2 full eras.

Britney did not share her impact with Xtina. Xtina's debut was the impact of Britney.

gaga's Fame is basically Shania's Come On Over, one big long era.

Britney was easier to market worldwide. In primary market, in the US, Nsync was first and better known, and they definitely sparked her career.

Jessica was trying the pretty blonde pop vocalist route, that is NOT britney, that's Xtina.

Gaga reigned twitter/FB/Google for a year or two(her peak) at a larger scale than Britney has. Gaga had more than just one hit and they all sold and did better on the charts than BOMT.
Oops is referenced mostly for the wrong reason . Britney was given success on a silver platter, Gaga had competition and still reigned #1 with bigger success.

How was it easier to market Britney worldwide than the US? How was it any different? In fact I think it's the other way around.

Xtina and Jess were both copying their idol Mariah with their vocals obviously. Just like Britney's crop top, belly ring, head mic shtick from her idol Janet. There thing that separated them from their idols is their image of being a girl next door yet sexy popstar, and Britney started that with Xtina, Jess and Mandy following up.

Google only revealed the #1 most searched celebrity from 2001, Britney topped it in 2001, 2002, 2004 - 2008 while Gaga never topped it once!! Beaten by MJ in '09 and another Britney clone in '10 Miley. There was no Twitter or FB back then, so we can't compare them that way at their peak. My point was Britney reigned on the biggest internet website for following celebrities longer than Gaga reigned on the biggest internet site for following celebrities.

Oops isn't referenced for all the wrong reasons, only to Britney since 2006. It has plenty of other normal references. BOMT was #1 in every country while no Gaga song was. If you adjust the market of singles to the same climate (remember singles sales grew by like 400% alone in the US), BOMT would have been bigger by numbers. Britney was a real albums artist anyway, unlike Gaga who masqueraded as one so it was harder for her to have another big big hit again as her albums sales soaked the potential.

Britney's success was not handed to her on a silver platter. She was working for that dream since she was 6 - Star Search, MMC, gymnastic lessons, vocal coaching, competitions etc.

Britney obviously

I'm not going to pretend to know exactly why she did better WW, and you should not either, so let's focus in their primary market where there's no denying she rode Nsync's coattails.

You're seriously telling me that Xtina and Jess were copies of Britney because they were young pretty blondes? Britney did not invent that image lol. They were all around same age, and Xtina was actually the only natural blonde.

Google was nothing in 2001 compared to what is was 2009, so I'm not sure why you're so fixated on that. It's more impressive that Gaga was undeniably viral amongst so many other things online at her time.

I find it hard to believe that Oops was mostly referenced as a non-pun, especially in the US where it peaked at #9. Poker Face and Just Dance were massive hits that made way more of a cultural impact than Oops ever could. All people remember of Oops is the red leotard. Gaga's impact as an artist is proven by her tour gross. She's cultivated a larger following in 3 years than Britney could in 15.

Death at that arbitrary logical fallacy of a chart. You can't just adjust albums like that and pretend they would have been huge if they were released 15 years ago with a completely different marketplace, sound, competition, etc.

Britney's peak was obviously bigger, but Gaga was HUGE too. Their peaks were big enough to solidify them as pop icons.

Lol at people voting Gaga. Lets see if she makes it to 2020 first.

Worldwide markets are just as important as the US. Her primary market was actually Europe in her prime, no the US. If she could be a phenomenon outside the US unlike NSYNC, then she would have been in the US without them.

I'm not saying Xtina and Jess are Britney copies because they are just blonde. They were teen blonde girls who played the good girl, yet sexy girl. Britney did invent that image, she was the first teen singer to sex it up. Before her, teen girl singers were conservative like Debbie Gibson and Tiffany.

Google was nothing in 2001? How old are you? People Google searched celebrities more then than now, as now they search them on Twitter/FB more. TRL was the equivalent of YouTube back then, remember how huge Britney was then? I mean, MATM broke records then while Gaga can't even top her own videos and her peers on YT by a wide margin. Britney's VMA controversy shatter any Gaga ones, "Is she a virgin?" >>>> "What does she sleep in?", Britney was way more powerful on media and music in general.

There are PLENTY of receipts to show you how referenced that line was/is. Just look it up. Chart positions aren't an indicator of what songs are iconic. HIAM peaked at #1, Bad Romance #2, and we know which song is bigger/more memorable. What impact did Poker Face and Just Dance make??? They're completely forgotten, and made no impact. No one references any lines, no iconic outfit etc. No one remembers the red catsuit from Oops apart from us.

A large following that can't even help her open higher than 260K+ or stop her from declining by 82% twice. No Britney album had that until her new one undeniably (15 years in). Simply, Britney was more powerful in 12 years than Gaga in 5 even though you should be more powerful that young in your career.

Just look at the poll results, the arguments made, Gaga's struggle to stay relevant after the dance pop craze was over while Britney stayed relevant after the teen pop craze was over. Speaks volumes. I'll leave it at that, don't expect a reply from me after this post.

Britney was Marilyn Monroe as a popstar. I'm old enough to remember it.

It's not taking anything away from Gaga. She just can't compete with those Britney years. Few names can.

Nsync started out in 1997. Britney started out opening for them and being closely affiliated with them. Would her career have gone the same if weren't for Nsync and if she didn't date Justin? Absolutely not. And the UK was not her primary market; her singles might have charted higher in the UK, but the UK was definitely not her primary market.

if Britney was the first teen popstar to use sex to sell, she was just going along with trend Madonna started and Janet picked up on, Britney's age is arbitrary. Xtina isn't the first pop vocalist either; just because she became the youngest since Celine doesn't mean she invented it.

Google was nothing compared to what is it now. Do a simple look at the company's timeline. It only started out 3 years before 2001. TRL is a much more valid point than Google search lol. And yes I remember how big she was there and how she had to share the spotlight with Legend X. Gaga resigned supreme in 2009, Katy paled in comparison then.


The result that show when I look it up are just puns after puns.
What could possibly be more memorable about Oops than the red bodysuit?


If you're using her current state to drag her peak than you should know that Britney's current state is far worse. We'll see how BJ sells this week. Britney is more powerful in 12 years or her 12th year? Either is wrong because Britney has never grossed more than TFBall, let alone BTW Ball, and Britney was always behind in everything since Gaga started out. (TF> Circus, TF singles > circus singles, BTW > FF, BTW singles > FF singles, gaga tours > britney tours)


Gaga's success declined, but she is not irrelevant. She's not that far ahead of behind Katy. Irrelevance is flopping with 3 solo singles in a row, and an album soon.
Sis, it was obvious you were done when you resorted to ATRL poll results for support. Gaga had the bigger peak and you know it.
you tried tho