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Poll: Beyonce vs Janet: Who will have the larger legacy?
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View Poll Results: Who will have the larger legacy?
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Beyonce
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Janet
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They're both flops.
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i won't deny that Rhythm Nation had an impact on MJ & the rest of the scene at the time. it was a very popular and iconic era.
Also, the "Bad" video was influenced by West Side Story as MJ's choreo throughout his career was influenced by broadway, so maybe any similarities between the video and Janet's "Nasty Boy's" video is only a coincidence and not deliberate
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to tie my point back to the theme of this thread: Beyonce is also very influenced by Broadway alongside African dances.
Going to see MJ in concert made her want to become a performer.
Her glamorous appearance is influenced by Diana Ross.
& her energy is Tina Turner.
what influence exactly does that leave for Janet to have on Beyonce other than a passing inspiration? for example: Lady Gaga says that Beyonce is an inspiration of hers but there's no REAL trace of Beyonce in Gaga. I wouldn't consider Gaga a part of Beyonce's legacy, it's very much an overstatement to make, the same with Beyonce being Janet's legacy.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
You poor, poor gal.
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In terms of the vocal style, yes they do.
Singing rhythmically as opposed to melodically over a hip hop beat wasn't prevalent in R&B/Pop before No No No and Bug a Boo.
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Originally posted by Gangsta4alife
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How does this disprove the fact that the core of Janet's dance is inspired by Micheal?In the first place Janet would not be the dancer she is today were it not for Micheal.
You and your paragraphs,all in an attempt to clock,when virtually everything can be refuted by anyone who has the time.You are not convincing anyone but the Janet stans and Beyonce haters.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
to tie my point back to the theme of this thread: Beyonce is also very influenced by Broadway alongside African dances.
Going to see MJ in concert made her want to become a performer.
Her glamorous appearance is influenced by Diana Ross.
& her energy is Tina Turner.
what influence exactly does that leave for Janet to have on Beyonce other than a passing inspiration? for example: Lady Gaga says that Beyonce is an inspiration of hers but there's no REAL trace of Beyonce in Gaga. I wouldn't consider Gaga a part of Beyonce's legacy, it's very much an overstatement to make, the same with Beyonce being Janet's legacy.
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Exactly!They just don't get it.
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Originally posted by slimsexy
How does this disprove the fact that the core of Janet's dance is inspired by Micheal?In the first place Janet would not be the dancer she is today were it not for Micheal.
You and your paragraphs,all in an attempt to clock,when virtually everything can be refuted by anyone who has the time.You are not convincing anyone but the Janet stans and Beyonce haters.
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Michael and Janet influenced EACHOTHER. Michael himself has said in an interview how much he loved the Rhythm Nation album and how he's kids also loved it, Tina Turner and Beyonce is a different story.
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This is insulting tbh.
Obviously Janet.
I love Bey (sometimes  ) but what exactly has she done that's iconic enough to be compared to Janet?
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Originally posted by Beyond Say
In terms of the vocal style, yes they do.
Singing rhythmically as opposed to melodically over a hip hop beat wasn't prevalent in R&B/Pop before No No No and Bug a Boo.
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So "Square Biz", "Attack Of The Name Game", more or less "Nasty".....
It's better to say she helped resurface a previous trend.
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Originally posted by blackpower
some beyoncé stans. 
Not only her, aaliyah, ciara, britney spears, selena gomez, britney spears, lady gaga, britney spears, any female singer that also dances. Janet is the mother of highly-choreographed female performers.
If you are not aware of janet's impact, stop sitting here and making yourself look stupid. Look it up. Watch a documentary. Read an article. Mtv, bet, vh1 and all authorities in popular culture have acknowledged janet jackson as an influential legend and icon, and it's not ****ing debatable. Stop!  |
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Beyonce's already far bigger as an artist + a brand than Janet ever was
And the history books will be kinder to her than they were w/JJ, whose 'legacy' is pretty much nonexistent bc of Nipplegate.
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A "brand" has nothing to do with legacy
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CRYING at the MJ gifs. One more receipt of how she inspired him, among many others, despite how people try to say that he inspired her more. She was always trying to disconnect from him and he kept learning from her.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
So "Square Biz", "Attack Of The Name Game", more or less "Nasty".....
It's better to say she helped resurface a previous trend.
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These are not the same thing though.
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Originally posted by tcweh
Michael and Janet influenced EACHOTHER. Michael himself has said in an interview how much he loved the Rhythm Nation album and how he's kids also loved it, Tina Turner and Beyonce is a different story.
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I don't get you.so liking an album equals being inspired?
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Poor Janet stans,it must suck to always tell your self the lie that Janet was on the same level of super stardom as Micheal,then proceed to deny the fact that Janet jacked 99% of his dancing style from Micheal by sighting debatable examples of how she inspired micheal,as if that's not enough you give all the credit for creating the sound of control when it's clear even to a retard that Jimmy jam and co were the main ones behind it,and new jack swing when Teddy riley was the main man who started the trend.Then you attempt to find a link between Beyonce and Janet in a desperate attempt to prove that she inspired her,when that fails you accuse beyonce of being a Tina wannabe,when in Janet's case even a blind man can see that she was a micheal wannabe from day 1.
I'm glad that my fanbase acknowledges the impact Tina had on beyonce unlike you guys that daily spit on the face of the man(micheal)that was the main reason why Janet even contemplated a career in music,not only that he had a direct influence on Janet's dance style.Trick Question for all the Janet stans,If Micheal was not her main inspiration , then who was?
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Originally posted by Lipton
Janet.
The other one has no legacy, importance, or impact.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Lol @ Beyonce dancing extremely well.
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Originally posted by jayyyxtee
hair-ography
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Originally posted by Musicjunky318
Beyoncé and Janet are from two different eras. Beyoncé is still current and Janet's long past her prime.
Beyoncé's primary influences derive from Tina Turner and Diana Ross. Janet took a lot from her brother MJ.
Beyoncé, as an overall live performer, mops the floor with Janet. The energy, the dedication, and the ability to own a stage in heels recalls the days of the aforementioned Tina Tuner. And being able to sing at the same time is an obvious plus.
Nevertheless, Janet comes out with a landslide win as being the better technical dancer. Maybe the baddest one besides Paula Abdul.
Who's music reigns supreme? Janet's. By far. One of the biggest letdowns about Beyoncé is for all her talent, for all her star, her catalog (4 albums-in) is so weak. She's yet to have a Velvet Rope, she's yet to do a Rhythm Nation, a Janet. None of her material can rival those albums. She lacks originality, she lacks creativity. I can literally go through her history and point out where every single one of her ideas derive from. "Oh that's Tina inspired." "Yea Diana definitely had something to do with this.." "Here's Janet Jr." You know, like nothing she does screams JUST BEYONCE. I always see someone else.
But the good news is her clock hasn't run out. She's still a name, she's very relevant, she still has a good amount of time left to add to her resume before she's discarded.
For now I'll go with Janet.
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I agree with everything you said except the bolded part. Janet commands a stage like no other.
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Poor Janet stans,it must suck to always tell your self the lie that Janet was on the same level of super stardom as Micheal,then proceed to deny the fact that Janet jacked 99% of his dancing style from Micheal by sighting debatable examples of how she inspired micheal
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There is no dispute that overall Janet was not as POPULAR as her Michael. But Janet stood beside her brother and others and made a name for herself. Janet's contemporaries are: MJ, Prince, Whitney, and Madonna. To make this thread anyway was a fool because Beyonce is not in Janet's bracket. All the aforementioned artists help shape pop music. Beyonce, in all her "glory" hasn't even come close to impacting pop culture.
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as if that's not enough you give all the credit for creating the sound of control when it's clear even to a retard that Jimmy jam and co were the main ones behind it,and new jack swing when Teddy riley was the main man who started the trend.
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Janet was a producer and got nominated at the grammy's for producer of the year for her work on "Control"..You can't be that bitter because Beyonce hasn't attributed to creating a sound that has shaped music.
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Then you attempt to find a link between Beyonce and Janet in a desperate attempt to prove that she inspired her,when that fails you accuse beyonce of being a Tina wannabe,when in Janet's case even a blind man can see that she was a micheal wannabe from day 1.
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Beyonce is influenced by Janet. DEAL. There was evidence posted in this thread.
And yes, Janet was influenced by her BROTHERS(Jackson 5)..but Janet also has been influenced by Tina, Diana, and other legendary acts. And dead @ her wanting to be a Michael wannabe.. So, when she completely reinvented her image with Janet. and TVR, where was the Michael wannabe then?
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If Micheal was not her main inspiration , then who was?
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Janet had different inspirations..and Michael and her brothers were one of the many..
It's clear you know nothing of Janet's history or music..your stan shades are so glued for Beyonce that you fail to see Janet's undeniable impact and influence on Beyonce and others.
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I agree with everything you said except the bolded part. Janet commands a stage like no other.
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Originally posted by slimsexy
There is no dispute that overall Janet was not as POPULAR as her Michael. But Janet stood beside her brother and others and made a name for herself. Janet's contemporaries are: MJ, Prince, Whitney, and Madonna. To make this thread anyway was a fool because Beyonce is not in Janet's bracket. All the aforementioned artists help shape pop music. Beyonce, in all her "glory" hasn't even come close to impacting pop culture.
Janet was a producer and got nominated at the grammy's for producer of the year for her work on "Control"..You can't be that bitter because Beyonce hasn't attributed to creating a sound that has shaped music.
Beyonce is influenced by Janet. DEAL. There was evidence posted in this thread.
And yes, Janet was influenced by her BROTHERS(Jackson 5)..but Janet also has been influenced by Tina, Diana, and other legendary acts. And dead @ her wanting to be a Michael wannabe.. So, when she completely reinvented her image with Janet. and TVR, where was the Michael wannabe then?
Janet had different inspirations..and Michael and her brothers were one of the many..
It's clear you know nothing of Janet's history or music..your stan shades are so glued for Beyonce that you fail to see Janet's undeniable impact and influence on Beyonce and others. |
Thanks for avoiding the question on who Janet's main influence was.
You failed to point out how Janet directly influenced Beyonce?This time in need concrete proof and not some sermon on Janet's general career.
Where did I state that Bey was in the same bracket as Janet who came before her?It's obvious you feel a certain way about beyonce that's why you had to compare her to people from different eras.Are you so insecure about Janet's impact on today's artist,that you had to compare Beyonce to true legends?The fact that you felt the need to put words into my mouth reeks of desperation on your part.Since you went there let me tell you expressly that compared to MJ,maddona and prince whose undeniable influence(,not bogus influnence touted by Janet fans) can be seen in today's artist,Janet is a lessor.The fact that Janet is not mentioned in the same sentence as those three today speaks volumes on Janet's purported impact on the new generation.Few people in the new generation barely know who she is.It's clear that Janet's legacy is not as strong those of Prince,MJ and Maddona.
Lastly I never said Janet was not a producer,I simply pointed out the fact that it was criminal of Janet's fans in here not the acknowledge the immense contribution of the "main" producers in creating that sound.You've still not debunked the fact that Teddy Riley was the main man behind the new Jackswing trend and not Janet like you all claim.
All in all I applaud your lack of comprehension and selective reading skills.
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